2012 Free Agent: Marcus Camby

[Mel_13]

Splitter is a more solid asset to move to Orlando than most first round picks, even most lottery picks.

I'm not sure I agree with the lottery pick part, but I should have said more likely to see draft picks headed to Houston. I still don't think the Spurs will get a draft pick from Houston in a Splitter+filler for Camby+PF trade.

[DesignatedT]

Gotta ask is that all you remember of Splitter from the WC finals? Seriously, you are focusing on 1 play and hanging him on it. Splitter wouldn't be the first big to have the master flopper in Fisher win out in the post. How did the rest of his teammates do on switches? You remember what happened the second time he got a post attempt on a switch? Lets not worry about how well he played the first 2 rounds of the plays-offs. Nah, lets just nail Splitter for that one play.

Again, to re-itterate Pop took Splitter out of games because of mistakes on the defensive end (help defense and not doubling on time) which i thought were knee-jerk considering how many the rest of the bigs not named Duncan gotten away with. The WC finals was his first real test in the play-offs. Keep in mind the spurs went away from splitter in the post for most of the second half of the regular season. When he did get the ball there, he looked out of sync. That falls on POP.

To find a parallel with Bonner on regular season form is just laughable. You should be embarrassed at your post.

Splitter is a pick and roll player. First of all, I like Splitter. Second of all, my intention was not to dog on what Splitter did or didn't do in the WCF (everybody saw it). Me stating that he has no jumpshot(true), he has a very unreliable back to the basket game(true), he struggles against above average big men(true), he is a liability on the free throw line(true), he is a good, not great defender (true), he'll already be 28 next season (true) are all points trying to justify why the Spurs shouldn't and wouldn't give Splitter 8M per year next off-season (the same deal Asik just got).

That reason alone is enough of a reason to look and see if we can get something of value in return now (instead of him signing else where next summer). I am not saying Camby is better than Splitter but I do think Camby can step into Splitters role (15-20 mpg) and we really wouldn't miss a beat in that regard. Of course I would only do this trade if the Spurs can land one of Houston's PFs that could immediately step in and play with Duncan (Patrick Patterson for example)

[Redshadows]

I like Splitter if he wouldn't get more than $8m per year next season.

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe the Spurs are/were trying to trade Lorbek and crap for Camby.

[TD 21]

Some spurs fans getting excited about grandpa Camby for Splitter. Crazy-talk. Must be starving for a deal. The only way it would happen is if there's a sweetner for the Spurs because the spurs would giving away a pretty good bigman who simply needs more action.

Hopefully the FO arn't that stupid. Actually im pretty sure they aren't.

Obviously nobody would be stupid enough to trade Splitter for Camby straight up. The idea would be to shore up the Spurs interior defense/strengthen their rebounding in the interim, pick up at least one decent or better power forward prospect, avoid having to pay Splitter $8 or 9M annually next off season and to get them to take Bonner.

Mel, they probably would be reluctant to surrender any draft picks (1sts, at least). But as I said a few days ago, Splitter would be a nice piece to send to the Magic. The Lakers can offer Bynum, the Hawks, Horford and the Nets, Lopez. So if the Rockets want to be seriously considered, they might want to have a starting center to send back. That would probably appeal to the Magic over one more draft pick, which they'd get in the trade anyway, in addition to players who were recent draft picks.

[Mel_13]

Mel, they probably would be reluctant to surrender any draft picks (1sts, at least). But as I said a few days ago, Splitter would be a nice piece to send to the Magic. The Lakers can offer Bynum, the Hawks, Horford and the Nets, Lopez. So if the Rockets want to be seriously considered, they might want to have a starting center to send back. That would probably appeal to the Magic over one more draft pick, which they'd get in the trade anyway, in addition to players who were recent draft picks.

I'd agree with those possibilities, my point was not to expect draft picks back from Houston in any Camby S&T.

[Slippy]

Splitter is a pick and roll player. First of all, I like Splitter. Second of all, my intention was not to dog on what Splitter did or didn't do in the WCF (everybody saw it). Me stating that he has no jumpshot(true), he has a very unreliable back to the basket game(true), he struggles against above average big men(true), he is a liability on the free throw line(true), he is a good, not great defender (true), he'll already be 28 next season (true) are all points trying to justify why the Spurs shouldn't and wouldn't give Splitter 8M per year next off-season (the same deal Asik just got).

Splitter is more than a roll guy so we disagree there. You used the WC finals as an example which wasn't a true assesment of where he failed. For his postion he's a very good finisher and great passer. That unreliability in the post could change if POP made it a priority in developing Splitter going into next season. That means mins and allowing him to make mistakes.

Im pretty sure we all know how it went last season which was condensed with little practise time. Having a pre-season under his belt could go a long way in helping his cause. I think the Spurs FO and POP owe it to themselfs and the team to see what they can get out Splitter before worrying about what they have to pay him in the future. Whether fans believe or not it's pretty obvious the Spurs are doing eveything possible to Win a le before Tim retires.

For me, from what we saw last season, there's good chance Splitter could indeed prove his worth. Plus quality centers are a rarity these days. What happens when Duncan retires or say his role is reduced next season. Patrick Patterson, Camby , Blair or Diaw wont cut it at the center posi. In any case, with the trade dealine the spurs have half a season to see how things pan out.

That reason alone is enough of a reason to look and see if we can get something of value in return now (instead of him signing else where next summer). I am not saying Camby is better than Splitter but I do think Camby can step into Splitters role (15-20 mpg) and we really wouldn't miss a beat in that regard. Of course I would only do this trade if the Spurs can land one of Houston's PFs that could immediately step in and play with Duncan (Patrick Patterson for example)

Defensivly we would miss a beat and it's not just about the mins. Splitter is a mobile bigman. Duncan and Camby aren't. Our biggest weakness on defense is defending the pick and roll on a switch. What happens when in the play-offs teams the spurs included revert to one Big and 4smalls. That's where quility a center in the mould of Splitter is invaluable who would sub in for Duncan and cover for smalls. Could any of you seriously imagine any other Spurs big, camby or Patterson filling that role?

[DesignatedT]

Splitter is more than a roll guy so we disagree there. You used the WC finals as an example which wasn't a true assesment of where he failed. For his postion he's a very good finisher and great passer. That unreliability in the post could change if POP made it a priority in developing Splitter going into next season. That means mins and allowing him to make mistakes.

First we can agree to disagree. I have seen nothing from Splitter that makes me believe that he is a reliable option to go to down low with the game on the line. While he does have good footwork in the post he struggles to create and finish his own shot ( his little flick shot isn't good) and fouling him proves to be too good of a strategy.

Second, Splitter hasn't shown he is durable enough to handle any more minutes then he is getting. Sure he can play 25 or so minutes a game compared to his usual 20 but he seems to be fragile and hasn't proved that he can handle upwards of 30mpg without getting hurt. Just check the injuries the past 2 years with limited minutes.

Whether fans believe or not it's pretty obvious the Spurs are doing eveything possible to Win a le before Tim retires.

I agree. I see trading Splitter as a "win now" move. Not building for the future.

For me , from what we saw last season , there's good chance Splitter could indeed prove his worth. Plus quality centers are a rarity these days. What happens when Duncan retires or say his role is reduced next season. Patrick Patterson, Camby , Blair or Diaw wont cut it at the center posi. In any case, with the trade dealine the spurs have half a season to see how things pan out.

I don't thnk Splitter is worth 8M+, is this what this whole argument is coming down to? You think he could be worth that $ while I don't? As for what happens when Duncan retires... I still wouldn't want a 30+ year old Splitter making 8M on the roster. It's time to rebuild at that point.

I think a PF-Diaw, Patterson, C- Duncan, Camby can definitely work. It beats Diaw-Bonner, Duncan-Splitter.

Defensivly we would miss a beat and it's not just about the mins.

Camby is a better rebounder and shot blocker so in that area the Spurs would be better defensively.

Splitter is a mobile bigman. Duncan and Camby aren't. Our biggest weakness on defense is defending the pick and roll on a switch. What happens when in the play-offs teams the spurs included revert to one Big and 4smalls.

Sure, Splitter is more mobile of a big man then Duncan and Camby. That's why getting a PF like Patterson would help.

Also, small ball is kind of a moot point. The Spurs won't play two bigs no matter who they have if the other team is playing small.

Could any of you seriously imagine any other Spurs big, camby or Patterson filling that role?

Yes.

[Slippy]

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First we can agree to disagree. I have seen nothing from Splitter that makes me believe that he is a reliable option to go to down low with the game on the line. While he does have good footwork in the post he struggles to create and finish his own shot ( his little flick shot isn't good) and fouling him proves to be too good of a strategy.

We dont know for sure. Spurs went away from Splitter in the post second half of the season. Not because of Splitter's weakness, mainly to take advantage of team's strengths. Diaw, Splitter, Manu and Tony excel on it. You only noticed Fisher flopping in the WC finals so im not surpised you've seen nothing. Look back to Splitter playing the post pre-injury.

Second, Splitter hasn't shown he is durable enough to handle any more minutes then he is getting. Sure he can play 25 or so minutes a game compared to his usual 20 but he seems to be fragile and hasn't proved that he can handle upwards of 30mpg without getting hurt. Just check the injuries the past 2 years with limited minutes.

Don't buy it sorry. His injuries last season would be all considered niggling, nothing of the serious kind. A couple of them were back related. Sitting on the bench can't help. They spurs need to test that durability.

I agree. I see trading Splitter as a "win now" move. Not building for the future.

Really? You already know who the Spurs are getting? as opposed to who we already have. Aside from speculating, all you've done is made it clear how you feel about Spitter and then retracted it. You're are talking about taking key a big out of the picture and replacing him with an old man and another big who had a bad season. Paper wont win sorry, good luck with it though

I don't thnk Splitter is worth 8M+, is this what this whole argument is coming down to? You think he could be worth that $ while I don't? As for what happens when Duncan retires... I still wouldn't want a 30+ year old Splitter making 8M on the roster. It's time to rebuild at that point.

Already addressed it. First it's not your money so stop worrying about having to pay it. Second, rebuilding or not, trading a quality center like Splitter, there's always a taker later down the track.

I think a PF-Diaw, Patterson, C- Duncan, Camby can definitely work. It beats Diaw-Bonner, Duncan-Splitter.

You still don't get it . TIMvp addressed it earlier, brunO added to it and i've made it clear. It's a scary though having 2 aging center , moreso in the play-offs.

Duccan and Splitter WTF .. We hardly got to see it. You run with anything.

Camby is a better rebounder and shot blocker so in that area the Spurs would be better defensively.

So is Duncan... still didn't help on the P'n'R for the last 3 seasons in the play-offs. Wont matter when it's 1 big, 4smalls. Spurs will continue to get exposed.

Sure, Splitter is more mobile of a big man then Duncan and Camby. That's why getting a PF like Patterson would help.

Also, small ball is kind of a moot point. The Spurs won't play two bigs no matter who they have if the other team is playing small.

This doesn't make sense. It's the most important point defensivly in the play-offs these days. OKC had a better frontline than the Spurs , yet went away from it as the series moved along. Think about why. It was about taking advantage of that lack of mobility when playing the Spurs small (Duncan). When POP stopped using splitter as a sub for Duncan, they took advantage of the height mis-match with the likes of Diaw and Blair at center. Would of been worse against the HEat who played small every game against the THunder.

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Only in fantasy NBA.

[DesignatedT]

Your post has butthurt written all over it so I'm just going to reply to a couple things.

Don't buy it sorry. His injuries last season would be all considered niggling, nothing of the serious kind. A couple of them were back related. Sitting on the bench can't help. They spurs need to test that durability.

Splitter has been hurt nearly every season he's played basketball. Even before he entered the NBA. I am not using this as a reason to trade him but simply stating that he hasn't shown at any time in his career that he can handle playing 30+ minutes a night

Really? You already know who the Spurs are getting? as opposed to who we already have. Aside from speculating, all you've done is made it clear how you feel about Spitter and then retracted it. You're are talking about taking key a big out of the picture and replacing him with an old man and another big who had a bad season. Paper wont win sorry, good luck with it though

I was talking about the specific deal I layed out. I wasn't implying that getting rid of Splitter would help the Spurs win now no matter what we got in return.

Already addressed it. First it's not your money so stop worrying about having to pay it. Second, rebuilding or not, trading a quality center like Splitter, there's always a taker later down the track.

lol

Duccan and Splitter WTF .. We hardly got to see it. You run with anything.

I wasn't talking about Duncan and Splitter together. I was talking about the Depth Chart. PFs - Diaw/Bonner, C- Duncan/Splitter.

Pop has already shown he is uncomfortable playing Duncan and Splitter together. All the #s of them playing together show that they are an awkward fit together as well. It's a fairly small sample size but it is what it is.

The inability that Duncan and Splitter will get minutes together definitely contributes to my acceptance of trading Tiago if it brings back players that Pop will play with Duncan.

[angelbelow]

Watched Camby play a few times last season and thought he was pretty done. He might still be an effective rebounder but will likely be a liability in most categories. At this point in his career, he should be playing the enforcer 5th big role.

[timvp]

Would you do either of these trades?

1. Bonner and a lottery protected first round pick for Camby

2. Blair, Neal, Byars and a second round pick for Camby

[DPG21920]

I would do both - with the second being more preferred.

[Andthentherewas21]

I'd be more hesitant with #2 given Camby's age, it would be good to have Blair as insurance. Besides its going to be another late first rounder, probably a mid-twenties pick which would be worth it to get rid of Bonner

[Mel_13]

Would you do either of these trades?

1. Bonner and a lottery protected first round pick for Camby

2. Blair, Neal, Byars and a second round pick for Camby

#1 and call it into the league office before Houston changes it's mind.

[pad300]

Would you do either of these trades?

1. Bonner and a lottery protected first round pick for Camby

2. Blair, Neal, Byars and a second round pick for Camby

I would do both - with the second being more preferred.

Seconded. Try and get a 2nd round pick back in the first trade...

[Mel_13]

Marcus Camby had a "very productive" meeting with the Knicks today, source said. Nothing agreed to, as sign/trade options are in play.

In addition to Knicks, Nets and Heat, Clippers have regisered interest in Camby, source said.

https://twitter.com/KBergCBS

[elemento]

I have to agree with Slippy.

Trading Splitter in order to get an over the hill Center who will probably retire in a year or 2 doesn't make any sense. Splitter, even with all this flaws, has more value that that easily.

The trade Tim has made makes more sense and I would be ok with both, especially the 1st one.

[Duncan2177]

Marcus Camby had a "very productive" meeting with the Knicks today, source said. Nothing agreed to, as sign/trade options are in play.

In addition to Knicks, Nets and Heat, Clippers have regisered interest in Camby, source said.

https://twitter.com/KBergCBS

I wonder why he doesn't mention the spurs?

I would sure like for us to land Camby. He is still very good at what he does, and with our depth, we wouldn't really need much out of him until the playoffs. That is when our lack of interior defense gets exposed.

[Bruno]

Bonner + 1st for Camby is a bad bad deal.

Throwing away first round pick is a bad move. If Spurs really want to get rid of Bonner, they can just use the amnesty on him.

[Mel_13]

Throwing away first round pick is a bad move.

Yes it would be.

The proposed transaction, however, would yield Camby. Not quite throwing the pick away.

[Bruno]

Yes it would be.

The proposed transaction, however, would yield Camby. Not quite throwing the pick away.

Camby has almost no trade value. He is an unrestricted free agent that require less than the MLE to sign. Just look at what Clippers got in the Reggie Evans S&T.

Bonner and a first for Camby is throwing a first round pick away.

[Mel_13]

Camby has almost no trade value. He is an unrestricted free agent that require less than the MLE to sign. Just look at what Clippers got in the Reggie Evans S&T.

Bonner and a first for Camby is throwing a first round pick away.

I don't agree.

It remains to be established what other teams may be willing to offer to obtain Camby. What the Clippers got for Evans, a much inferior player in any case, is completely irrelevant to the value Houston may be able to garner from trading Camby.

Are the Spurs better offer with Bonner and their 2013 first round pick or are they better off with Marcus Camby? I'd say they're better off with Camby. The willingness to include the pick may be the difference in winning an auction for Camby.

[elemento]

But the whole purpose of it is keeping the MLE to bring back Diaw and have a front-court rotation of Duncan/Camby/Diaw/Splitter/Blair.

Not only that, but we would also be free of Bonner's 4.5m guaranteed money.

It's not throwing the pick away. I have to disagree with Bruno here.

[Bruno]

Are the Spurs better offer with Bonner and their 2013 first round pick or are they better off with Marcus Camby? I'd say they're better off with Camby. The willingness to include the pick may be the difference in winning an auction for Camby.

2013 first round pick >>>>>>>>>>>>> 38 years old Camby.

The auction for Camby isn't with Houston, it's with Camby himself and he doesn't care about what Houston could get in a S&T.