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This desperation to stop Miami's dynasty is very entertaining. Dan Gilbert would give up both of his nuts to make this deal happen.
Why is Dwight any less greedy than you, Drew? He gonna leave the $30 million sitting on the table too?
But why would he leave? The Magic would have his Bird rights. Meaning they can pay him more than any other team can. Money talk$. BS walks.
Besides, has Bynum's agent said he wouldn't resign (which would be financially stupid BTW) or did the media - who likes to- "leaked" it?
Same scenario applies to D-12 "only playing for one team" nonsense. In the end, they all go for the money.
I certainly don't think so.
Honestly it's a good point. If I were Orlando I would just keep Dwight and dare him to walk rather than take this proposed deal but everyone in the world knows me and my Brandon Roy knees aren't leavin a cent on the table.
Hey baseline or anybody that knows, Doesn't the BYC rules make this deal not possible?
I have never heard of BYC effecting sign and trades. I thought they specifically didn't take effect until 24 or 48 hours after the deal is signed to allow sign and trades. I don't know the 2011 CBA at all though; I'm going by memory from the 2005 CBA. Humphries will probably block the deal anyways.
I have never heard of BYC effecting sign and trades. I thought they specifically didn't take effect until 24 or 48 hours after the deal is signed to allow sign and trades. I don't know the 2011 CBA at all though; I'm going by memory from the 2005 CBA. Humphries will probably block the deal anyways.
Base year compensation
Certain players in the first few months of a new contract are subject to base year compensation (BYC). The intent of BYC is to prevent teams from re-signing players to salaries specifically targeted to match other salaries in a trade (in other words, salary should be based on basketball value, not trade value). A BYC player's trade value as outgoing salary is 50% of his new salary, or his previous salary, whichever is greater. BYC applies only to players who re-sign with their previous team and receive a raise greater than 20%. It also applies only when (and as long as) the team is over the salary cap. Under the 2011 CBA, players subject to BYC cannot be traded before January 15 except in a sign-and-trade, and BYC is only applied to outgoing salary in sign-and-trade deals.
Absolutely cause the same drama? Based on what exactly? That is nothing but speculation. Instead of being so easily manipulated by random tweets and rumors use common ing sense. How much money do you really think Bynum is willing to lose? If Orlando makes that trade they deserve what they get.
Bynum doesn't want to sign the extension to let the trade go through. If Orlando is going to dare Bynum to pass on the $30 million to play where he wants they might as well just keep Howard and dare him instead. Of course Bynum's not going to sign the extension when the trade is done, as he would rather kill it and sign the extension to stay in LA.
Valid point
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@johnhollinger why would magic trade anderson at $9M but covet lopez at $12M? Lopez even softer and worse rebounder?
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Saw this post on Magic forum:
"BYC" technically no longer exists, but it was replaced by an identical rule that only applies to S&Ted players. And since I don't know the name of that rule, I'm going to call it BYC.
Essentially, if a player is S&Ted and their new salary is greater than 125% of their previous salary, then their salary in a trade(in terms of matching salaries between teams) isn't their new salary; it's the greater of half their new salary or 125% of their old one.
So lets say the Nets wanted to S&T Brook Lopez with a new 16m contract(in reality, he legally can't get anything close to that). Ok, fine. His incoming value for Orlando, so what Orlando would have to match with, is 16m. But his outgoing salary from Brooklyn is just 8m, so they could only receive 10m in salary in return. Any more than that, and the trade is illegal.
The currently listed trade has Lopez, Gaines, Williams and James all becoming BYC players, and all of them would have to get big enough raises that their outgoing trade value would only be half of whatever their new salary is. The apparent idea is that Brooklyn would get around that by dumping a monstrously large one year deal for Humphries to Cleveland, who can use their CAP space to just absorb Humphries, but if Humphries gets more than 10m a year, HE becomes a BYC player, and then the only way they can get his outgoing value above 10m is by giving him a contract in excess of 20m, and holy **** why are people buying any of this?
Not valid - Brook is a much better player than Ryan with a much higher ceiling too. It's not about coveting Lopez; it's about no one offering ORL more cap space + draft picks for Dwight than Brooklyn because Dwight is saying he won't re-sign.
The question is what is more valuable: Bynum + no cap space or picks or Brook + unloading bad contract(s) + multiple first rounders?
Not sure if Lopez is better and for that matter more valuable than Ryan Anderson tbh. Lopez is a horrible rebounder for a big man but I get you point. Still, paying Brook Lopez max just because they need to deal DH to Brooklyn and to somehow make salaries match is a horrible deal. I understand you never get equal value for a Superstar in a trade but this is ridiculous. There's also not much value in those 1st rd picks, they're most likely not even a lottery pick(s).
Seriously, at this point, Orlando should just wait for a better package or fully convince Bynum or his agent that Orlando will be his team (something Bynum would want)
Lopez isn't a much better player than Anderson, tbh..
Lopez is the post version of Bargnani..he doesn't play defense, he doesn't rebound, and he's soft..he's coming off an injury, and he hasn't shown any progress during his time in the NBA..
Ryan Anderson isn't special, either, but he isn't noticeably inferior to Lopez..
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The question is really, what is more valuable: A Bynum who will put them through the same media circus again, Howard who will put them through the same media circus again, or soft Lopez + unloading contracts + gaining first rounders. All the option basically suck. If you're going to compare options #1 and #2, I'd much rather have #2 since at least Howard has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's about the money when he waived the opt-out.
Lopez ing sucks. I'll believe this trade when I see it. It smells too much like bull to me.
This whole scenario is getting weary. it. I hope they'll make a deal (one way or another...) soon so I can get back to worrying about the start of the College Football season.
the fact is lakers ain't trading them bynum and brooklyn's offer might be the finest outputs they can extract from that DH tbh, orlando better accept it rather than let him walk free a year later.
to make it happen, brooklyn need to sign&trade lopez/hemphris and yes, dudes will get overpaid but it ain't gonna be nothing nearly obnoxious like lewis's ty contract. it doesn't hurt to have lopez/hemphris on your squad paying them 8-9m/yr each
what good is multiple first rounders when all those picks will likely be late first rounders
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The Rockets refuse to give up on the Dwight Howard derby, gathering more assets to try and entice the Orlando Magic to engage in talks
LOL thinking Brooks Lopez is MUCH better than Anderson. Lopez is just a post scorer and does nothing else well. He may be better, maybe not, but definitely not much better. DPG seems to be getting worse each day.
Kool is right and why would the Magic let Brooks go to the Clips when it can be argued he has the second most upside out of all picks or players in this 4 team trade? Most of the other guys are what they ever will be. Dwight we have never seen teamed with another superstar, so maybe he shows us something if he is healthy but outside of that Brooks is the only other piece I want. Harlem is also right, Lopez has only improved marginally, Humphries has improved but is near his ceiling.
But im weary just trade him if they really do value Lopez. And if the Lakers are just bull- ting to avoid eating Jrich's contract ... they need to or get off the pot. We werent winning last year but the trade talk crap did NOT help. Either make a deal or announce you have pulled out.
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