Trayvon Martin - black kid armed with skittles killed in "self-defense" - Part 1

[clambake]

Afterall, he was not too tired to kick the crap out of Zimmerman or too scared to run away once actually confronted, if Zimmerman confronted Martin.

a couple of scratches that required nothing.

kicked the crap out of him. lol

[Blake]

Wow...

Doesn't look good for Trayvon.

Do you think he'll get jail time?

[clambake]

The girlfriend lost all credibility with me when she waited a month to report it only after being contacted/coached by the Martins attorney.

and you give the undeniable liar all the credibility.

of course you do.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The girlfriend lost all credibility with me when she waited a month to report it only after being contacted/coached by the Martins attorney.

LOL but Zimmerman keeps his credibility even though he and his wife lied authorities?

You are a gem.

[CosmicCowboy]

and you give the undeniable liar all the credibility.

of course you do.

LOL but Zimmerman keeps his credibility even though he and his wife lied authorities?

You are a gem.

You guys crack me up. Unlike you guys, i'm not invested in a "side". I think they are both lying but when it finally gets in front of a jury they aren't going to have enough evidence to convict Zimmerman of murder 2 beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[elbamba]

a couple of scratches that required nothing.

kicked the crap out of him. lol

Could not have been that tired.

[Creepn]

K, I read the transcript. To sum it up, he was definitely stalked and Martin ran trying to lose him and tired himself out. He was in a legitimate fear state when he saw him again because it confirms his su ions that someone was chasing him. (My opinion,this moment is where Zimmerman had him in his sights and was approaching him.This is where he didn't want to lead his stalker to the house where his brother lived and stood his ground.)Martin asked a non-provoking question while Zimmerman responded with a confrontational retort.

[clambake]

You guys crack me up. Unlike you guys, i'm not invested in a "side". I think they are both lying but when it finally gets in front of a jury they aren't going to have enough evidence to convict Zimmerman of murder 2 beyond a shadow of a doubt.

george never lost his credibility to you.

clearly invested.

[Creepn]

Could not have been that tired.

So you would be too tired to fight back to defend yourself after running? Please.His fatigue also tells me that it would be difficult to dish out life threatening hits as well.

[clambake]

Could not have been that tired.

you can get scratched by falling down.

any clever attorney would know that.

[CosmicCowboy]

george never lost his credibility to you.

clearly invested.

GFY

I have said it over and over. Zimmerman sounds like a s bag.

Two ups met on a dark rainy night. One got his ass whipped, the other got shot. Tragic and unnecessary, but not Murder 2 beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[Wild Cobra]

The girlfriend lost all credibility with me when she waited a month to report it only after being contacted/coached by the Martins attorney.

There are places in the tape, and the stress of her voice, that it appears she's making up part of it. Again, he's "right by his house" then two minutes later he's breathing hard....

Who was stalking how Clamboy?

Now this democracy Now clip...

Come on people, listen to the whole interview, and her inconsistencies. Not clips.

[Wild Cobra]

K, I read the transcript. To sum it up, he was definitely stalked and Martin ran trying to lose him and tired himself out. He was in a legitimate fear state when he saw him again because it confirms his su ions that someone was chasing him. (My opinion,this moment is where Zimmerman had him in his sights and was approaching him.This is where he didn't want to lead his stalker to the house where his brother lived and stood his ground.)Martin asked a non-provoking question while Zimmerman responded with a confrontational retort.

You need to listen to the girl's words. Not just the written text, and the whole thing. Not just the clip.

[elbamba]

you can get scratched by falling down.

any clever attorney would know that.

You can also get scratched from having your head slammed into pavement repeatidly. Her testimony does nothing but suggest that she made various conclusions as to what happened and what Martin's state of mind was at the time of the incident. Her testimony, if accurate supports that Martin made initial verbal communication. Her testimony suggests that Zimmerman was not really being that aggressive or threatening. Asking the following question does not sound like he was premeditating murder "what are you doing around here?". Finally, her testimony does not support who threw the first punch or who was the physical aggressor.

Much of her testimony would be inadmissible, such as the following exchange:

Prosecutor: "I know what you are trying to tell me but if yo could describe how you could tell he was scared."

Girlfriend: "His voice was low"

Prosecutor: "So you could tell he was emotional, like sombody who was in fear?"

Girlfriend: "Yeah"

I just don't think this testimony helps the prosecution. I could be wrong, but if anything, it supports that they overcharged Zimmerman.

[Wild Cobra]

"His voice was low."

He was being stealthful, awaiting the opportunity to attack Zimmerman I bet.

[Wild Cobra]

"His voice was low."

He was being stealthful, awaiting the opportunity to attack Zimmerman I bet.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

"His voice was low."

He was being stealthful, awaiting the opportunity to attack Zimmerman I bet.

Inserting supposition for facts: the WC Way.

[elbamba]

So you would be too tired to fight back to defend yourself after running? Please. His fatigue also tells me that it would be difficult to dish out life threatening hits as well.

The testimony doesn't support any need for Martin to defend himself. He made the initial verbal communication. Zimmerman's reply does not sound like someone who is about to put a bullet through Martin's stomach. If her testimony is accurate, I think she hurts the prosecution.

One last thing, according to her, Martin was right by his father's house and that is why he stopped running and apparently would not run after that. Why not run to his father's house if he was right there? Why continue to walk a few minutes outside? Why continue to talk on the phone while you are running away?

To me this creates more doubt as to the authenticity of the story, at least as to her spin on the story.

[elbamba]

Inserting supposition for facts: the WC Way.

Isn't that what most of the girlfriends testimony is?

[CosmicCowboy]

Inserting supposition for facts: the WC Way.

[CosmicCowboy]

The testimony doesn't support any need for Martin to defend himself. He made the initial verbal communication. Zimmerman's reply does not sound like someone who is about to put a bullet through Martin's stomach. If her testimony is accurate, I think she hurts the prosecution.

One last thing, according to her, Martin was right by his father's house and that is why he stopped running and apparently would not run after that. Why not run to his father's house if he was right there? Why continue to walk a few minutes outside? Why continue to talk on the phone while you are running away?

To me this creates more doubt as to the authenticity of the story, at least as to her spin on the story.

Yeah, wait until she gets examined as a hostile witness by the defense instead of being led like a poodle through leading question after leading question.

[Wild Cobra]

So you would be too tired to fight back to defend yourself after running? Please.His fatigue also tells me that it would be difficult to dish out life threatening hits as well.

LOL...

The complex isn't that big. What was he doing, running laps around it?

I think she is making some of it up. Thinking he was in an open space instead of a gated community.

[Wild Cobra]

Yeah, wait until she gets examined as a hostile witness by the defense instead of being led like a poodle through leading question after leading question.

No ...

I can hear her now...

"but I thought..."

"it seed like..."

Crying...

"but he killed Tray... I want that homie dead..."

[clambake]

You can also get scratched from having your head slammed into pavement repeatidly. Her testimony does nothing but suggest that she made various conclusions as to what happened and what Martin's state of mind was at the time of the incident. Her testimony, if accurate supports that Martin made initial verbal communication. Her testimony suggests that Zimmerman was not really being that aggressive or threatening. Asking the following question does not sound like he was premeditating murder "what are you doing around here?". Finally, her testimony does not support who threw the first punch or who was the physical aggressor.

Much of her testimony would be inadmissible, such as the following exchange:

Prosecutor: "I know what you are trying to tell me but if yo could describe how you could tell he was scared."

Girlfriend: "His voice was low"

Prosecutor: "So you could tell he was emotional, like sombody who was in fear?"

Girlfriend: "Yeah"

I just don't think this testimony helps the prosecution. I could be wrong, but if anything, it supports that they overcharged Zimmerman.

slammed lol

[clambake]

The testimony doesn't support any need for Martin to defend himself. He made the initial verbal communication. Zimmerman's reply does not sound like someone who is about to put a bullet through Martin's stomach. If her testimony is accurate, I think she hurts the prosecution.

One last thing, according to her, Martin was right by his father's house and that is why he stopped running and apparently would not run after that. Why not run to his father's house if he was right there? Why continue to walk a few minutes outside? Why continue to talk on the phone while you are running away?

To me this creates more doubt as to the authenticity of the story, at least as to her spin on the story.

you gonna lead a stalker right to your family?