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    Mahinmi is the player who's improving.. not Collison. Collison is on a bad contract and hill is capable of playing 40 mins a game.

    agree on the drafting of Plumlee though - wasteful

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    Collison's going to his third team in 4 years. Headed down that Drew Gooden career path.

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    Mahinmi is the player who's improving.. not Collison. Collison is on a bad contract and hill is capable of playing 40 mins a game.

    agree on the drafting of Plumlee though - wasteful
    Collison is still on his rookie deal.

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    It's a good trade for them, no question. But I think the ship has sailed on Collison being anything more than a fringe starter. Ideally, he's more of a high quality backup. He played out of his mind for a few months during his rookie season and fooled people into thinking he's better than that, but reality set in soon after (look for this same thing to happen to Dragic next). This is definitely a better option than signing Sessions to the long term deal he's seeking or signing Felton for a season, though.

    For the Pacers, this makes their already highly questionable drafting (and that's being generous) of Plumlee in the 1st round even more ridiculous. They wasted a 1st round pick on a guy who, barring debilitating injury to Hibbert or Mahinmi (or them eventually trading Mahinmi), has no chance at cracking their rotation for at least 4 seasons, when they could have had a lottery caliber talent like Jones. Unbelievable how stupid that was.
    I think he can be a solid starting point. Not a superstar but good enough to run the ship.

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    Collison is still on his rookie deal.
    my bad..

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    I don't mind the Pacers trading Collison, they weren't going to sign him after this year as they've commited to Hill as their PG. But you have to get something better than Mahinmi in the package, as they could've just signed Ian to a deal, and giving up Collison to jettison Jones isn't good.

    If they add Augustin and a Wing(Gerald Green) they're in good shape though, just rejigging supporting pieces.

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    I thought the Mavs were going to free Roddy B.

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    Mavs got Kaman too, and are looking at Brand... I'd say they're doing pretty good... I'm wondering if the Spurs are even shopping Ginger...

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    Mavs got Kaman too, and are looking at Brand... I'd say they're doing pretty good... I'm wondering if the Spurs are even shopping Ginger...
    Probably not because he's Pops butt buddy and is so incredibly in love with him and would miss his back rubs from him to.

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    Looks like the Mavs have the same philosophy as last season. Sign everyone to 1 year deals.

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    Looks like the Mavs have the same philosophy as last season. Sign everyone to 1 year deals.
    It's not a bad a bad philosophy if you can pull it off... problem is most players want long term deals...

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    It's not a bad a bad philosophy if you can pull it off... problem is most players want long term deals...
    Yeah. Just gotta help but think Dirk is sitting there like wtf. Doing that isn't going to win Dallas anything, but it does keep them major players in next years free agency. Dirk isn't getting any younger though.

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    Bynum, maybe also Howard will be available next year... and as baseline bum was saying on the NBA forum, if they land Brand they'll already be much better than last season.

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    maybe if maybe if

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    Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell

    Exclusive: The #Bobcats are re-engaged in acquiring Kris Humphries to upgrade their power forward spot, an informed source tells Observer.

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    Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine

    Mark Bartelstein, agent for Calderon, confirms to ESPN that trade talks underway. He & Raps prez Colangelo "working together" to find deal

    http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/...-welcome-trade

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    he Grizzlies have engaged the Minnesota Timberwolves in trade talks in hopes of acquiring one of three guards, according to a source with knowledge of the discussions.

    Memphis has interest in Wayne Ellington, Wesley Johnson or Martell Webster – each of whom have reportedly been made available.

    Ellington likely is the Grizzlies' main target because of his salary. The 6-4 guard will earn a little more than $2 million this season. Johnson will make $4.2 million and Webster’s deal is for $5.7 million.

    Ellington, 24, averaged 41-percent shooting in three seasons with Minnesota. He’s a career 38-percent three-point shooter. Johnson, 25, shot 40 percent overall and 34 percent from beyond the arc in two NBA seasons. Webster, 25, is a seven-year veteran who spent the last two seasons averaging 41-percent shooting (37 percent from three-point range) for Minnesota.

    Conventional wisdom suggests that the Griz would try to use Dante Cunningham in a deal given they re-signed forwards Darrell Arthur and Marreese Speights.

    http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...D=happeningnow

    Neal+Joseph for Cunningham works.

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    he Grizzlies have engaged the Minnesota Timberwolves in trade talks in hopes of acquiring one of three guards, according to a source with knowledge of the discussions.

    Memphis has interest in Wayne Ellington, Wesley Johnson or Martell Webster – each of whom have reportedly been made available.

    Ellington likely is the Grizzlies' main target because of his salary. The 6-4 guard will earn a little more than $2 million this season. Johnson will make $4.2 million and Webster’s deal is for $5.7 million.

    Ellington, 24, averaged 41-percent shooting in three seasons with Minnesota. He’s a career 38-percent three-point shooter. Johnson, 25, shot 40 percent overall and 34 percent from beyond the arc in two NBA seasons. Webster, 25, is a seven-year veteran who spent the last two seasons averaging 41-percent shooting (37 percent from three-point range) for Minnesota.

    Conventional wisdom suggests that the Griz would try to use Dante Cunningham in a deal given they re-signed forwards Darrell Arthur and Marreese Speights.

    http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...D=happeningnow

    Neal+Joseph for Cunningham works.
    That would just be stupid on the Spurs part. Why help a team that's in the 4-6 range in the conference fill arguably their biggest need? You only even consider that if they can do the same for you or if they're willing to take an albatross off your hands. In this case, they wouldn't do either. And Cunningham is an undersized, overpriced fifth big, who's not much of a rebounder.

    Three better Neal trades . . .

    1. Spurs trade Blair to Hornets or Warriors for their 2nd in '13, then trade that 2nd, along with Neal, to Bucks for Sanders.

    2. Spurs trade Neal and cash to Pistons for draft rights to Middleton and their 2nd in '13.

    3. Spurs trade Neal and Byars to Trail Blazers for Babbitt.

    Other than 1, the return in these trades is underwhelming. But they'll be hard pressed to do much better and unlike Blair, who just based on how many they have signed at his position(s), could be kept, Neal can't be, for that very reason. In 2 and 3, at least they'd fill a semi-positional need (depth at forward; particularly small forward) and in the case of one, get a decent draft pick with it.

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    That would just be stupid on the Spurs part.
    Thanks for the feedback.

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    This report makes it sound like Dwight Howard to LA is a done deal.

    http://www.clickorlando.com/sports/S...medium=twitter

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    This report makes it sound like Dwight Howard to LA is a done deal.

    http://www.clickorlando.com/sports/S...medium=twitter
    That report also uses the phrases "It is where the league wants him to end up", and "It is widely believed". Not exactly strong journalism there.

    I'm not saying Dwight couldn't end up as a Laker, especially given a deal for Bynum is one of the better deals they could get at this point. However I would be careful as to how much stock you put in a report that sounds like it was written by a member of the Orlando Magic equivalent of Spurstalk.

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    Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo

    Knicks close to obtaining point guard Raymond Felton in sign and trade with Blazers, source tells Y! Sports.

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    Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo

    Knicks close to obtaining point guard Raymond Felton in sign and trade with Blazers, source tells Y! Sports.
    Felton, Lin and Kidd?

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    Felton, Lin and Kidd?
    And Prigioni...

    More likely they pick up Felton and drop Lin... did you see Houston's latest offer?

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    Al Iannazzone: The Knicks are not matching the offer sheet to Landry Fields, his agent said.

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