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Is registration open?Was gonna make a Boris Diaw troll, but it's already taken
Is registration open?Was gonna make a Boris Diaw troll, but it's already taken
surprised it took this long for the legion of nuthuggers to join the thread tbh
actually, if you read my post you'd see I said that player B isn't more skilled than player A, and several non-spurs fans agree on that. but skill also isn't the only measure of a player.
the numbers do show certain things, but the numbers dont show everything and I dislike it when people rely on them as a tell all. you said that lee's stats DOMINATE diaw's. Lee is better, but he is not DOMINATE better. That's why I mentioned Bogut- he has worse stats, but I would take him over Lee any day (on the spurs or any other team for that matter.)
david lee is better, but both trash tbh
I bet Lee would only average 15 and 7 on the Spurs, tbh...
He won't get as many touches for one, simply because Pop doesn't trust anyone not named the Big three with a high usage rate.
So your response to the question "How does someone contribute nothing but jump shots off assists when he scores only 32.3% of his points off jumpers?" is "Because the stats don't matter and because I said so!".....if you think that's a legit argument, then.
I'm impressed you can continue to say "The jump shot is his bread and butter" in spite of the stats that clearly say it's wrong when you have no evidence backing up the claim that jump shots are his bread and butter.
So you went from saying "All he contributes on offense is jumpers off assists" to saying "Well that's all he would do on the Spurs!" Way to move the goal posts.
He'd only score 2.7 points a game off free throws and points in the paint? You're kidding yourself if you seriously think that.
Quit acting like you weren't talking out of your ass when you said all he contributes on offense is jumpers off assists.
Im arguing who the better player is not whether Diaws numbers on the Spurs are better than Lees on the Warriors, so why wouldnt I mention how Lees numbers/usage would change if he was on a solid team like Diaw is?
Lees numbers/usage will dip (especially in the post) just with Boguts return. Just imagine how much bigger the dip would be if it was Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili returning from injury.
dunno... I stopped when I saw the username was already taken..
This reminds me of that argument I had with cobbler about Wade and LeBron. Against all statistical evidence, he tried to argue that Wade is a better closer.
Some people just can't admit to being wrong.
It's one thing to mention it, it's another thing to say Lee's points off free throws and the paint will dip from 13.6 to 2.7 if he went from Golden State to San Antonio. I also never said you shouldn't mention it so I'm not sure what you're responding to. I'm guessing you're just trying to respond hoping to steer the argument further away from the assertion you made about how Lee doesn't contribute anything out of jumpers off assists.Im arguing who the better player is not whether Diaws numbers on the Spurs are better than Lees on the Warriors, so why wouldnt I mention how Lees numbers/usage would change if he was on a solid team like Diaw is?
Why do you keep saying Lee's usage in the post? He's a face up scorer who utilizes his athleticism against slower players. Given the fact Golden State traded someone with a usage percent over 30 for Bogut, I doubt Lee's usage takes much of a dip.Lees numbers/usage will dip (especially in the post) just with Boguts return. Just imagine how much bigger the dip would be if it was Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili returning from injury.
It's also hard to imagine one hypothetical based off another hypothetical.
"This dip hasn't happened yet but it's going to, just imagine how much bigger that dip would be!"
It probably would dip to a very low number if he was dropped into San Antonio mid-season, received 17 mpg less, and had to play alongside the Big 3. Probably not an identical number but you get the point.
Less opportunities to do that when you have a legit center in the middle, no ?Why do you keep saying Lee's usage in the post? He's a face up scorer who utilizes his athleticism against slower players. Given the fact Golden State traded someone with a usage percent over 30 for Bogut, I doubt Lee's usage takes much of a dip.
It's also hard to imagine one hypothetical based off another hypothetical.
"This dip hasn't happened yet but it's going to, just imagine how much bigger that dip would be!"
How are either of those not reasonable hypotheticals?
BTW prior to last season when his welcome had clearly been outworn, fatass Diaw played ~35 mpg every single season with Charlotte with 80+ games/yr. I dont know why you act like hes incapable of playing and contributing more than what he did for the Spurs last season.
He wouldn't drop 17 mpg because he's not a fat slob of and is actually in shape. I'm surprise the GNSF per minute argument took that longIt probably would dip to a very low number if he was dropped into San Antonio mid-season, received 17 mpg less, and had to play alongside the Big 3. Probably not an identical number but you get the point.
And no, I don't get the point. David Lee would score noticeably more than 2.7 off points in the paint/free throws if he went to the Spurs. Nazr Mohammed scored more than 2.7 points off free throws/in the paint when he was on the Spurs.
Lee would get more touches with Monte Ellis no longer there. I think the bigger reason why his production would go down is actually moving from C to PF and getting less mismatches, but Lee is a good enough scorer where he'd find a way to score points on a good team.Less opportunities to do that when you have a legit center in the middle, no ?
How are either of those not reasonable hypotheticals?
I'm not saying they're unreasonable, I'm saying your entire argument is based off hypotheticals and you've taken it a step further by making one hypothetical based off another hypothetical.
What he's capable of and what he actually does are two different things.BTW prior to last season when his welcome had clearly been outworn, fatass Diaw played ~35 mpg every single season with Charlotte with 80+ games/yr. I dont know why you act like hes incapable of playing and contributing more than what he did for the Spurs last season.
If 2006 Diaw was how Diaw played his entire career, he'd be a lot better than David Lee.
^if pussyface saw that pic
FkLA has fallen into limbo and can no longer tell what is a hypothetical and what isn't
Diaws minutes dropped 7 mpg just from what he was getting in Charlotte this past season. 15 mpg from what he got the prior years when he was just as fat if not fatter. His minutes didnt drop because he was out of shape and incapable of playing more tbh.He wouldn't drop 17 mpg because he's not a fat slob of and is actually in shape. I'm surprise the GNSF per minute argument took that long
And no, I don't get the point. David Lee would score noticeably more than 2.7 off points in the paint/free throws if he went to the Spurs. Nazr Mohammed scored more than 2.7 points off free throws/in the paint when he was on the Spurs.
Nazr Mohammed was the starting center and getting more than 20 mpg.
Lee has never been on a good team, youre using a hypothetical yourself. And thats really the only way to compare players that are in two completely different situations...I dont see why me using reasonable hypotheticals is a big deal.Lee would get more touches with Monte Ellis no longer there. I think the bigger reason why his production would go down is actually moving from C to PF and getting less mismatches, but Lee is a good enough scorer where he'd find a way to score points on a good team.
I'm not saying they're unreasonable, I'm saying your entire argument is based off hypotheticals and you've taken it a step further by making one hypothetical based off another hypothetical.
I used one hypothetical in an argument that otherwise used stats and stuff that's already happened.
Your argument is based entirely off hypotheticals and and hypotheticals within hypotheticals
The hypothetical that someone who's capable of having multiple 20 10 seasons on bad teams would find ways to score points on a good team isn't exactly a bold, going-out-on-a-limb type hypothetical. It's something pretty much anyone would agree with.
It's certainly a more reasonable hypothetical than David Lee dropping from 13.6 points off free throws/in the paint to 2.7 points off free throws/in the paint if he went from Golden State to San Antonio.
Youve commented on how Lee would perform on the Spurs, how his defense would improve if he had a legit C, etc...so its not the first hypothetical youve used tbh. Your stats compare a player who was thrown mid-season into a contender and played 20 mpg and had career low numbers vs a player who played 37 mpg for a lottery team and had career high numbers.
You sure showed me.
What if his minutes were slashed to 20 mpg, would the hypothetical be reasonable then ?
You specifically said you'd take post-buyout Diaw (as in the player thrown mid-season into a contender playing 20 MPG and had career low numbers) over David Lee. They're your words, not mine. I didn't have to show you, you just said something incredibly stupid.Youve commented on how Lee would perform on the Spurs, how his defense would improve if he had a legit C, etc...so its not the first hypothetical youve used tbh. Your stats compare a player who was thrown mid-season into a contender and played 20 mpg and had career low numbers vs a player who played 37 mpg for a lottery team and had career high numbers.
You sure showed me.
No, because his minutes wouldn't get slashed. You, and Spurfan in general, act like there's some minute fairy who comes along and slashes minutes as he pleases arbitrarily regardless of whether or not the players' minutes should get cut. There's no reason to think David Lee's minutes would get slashed to 20 MPG just because Diaw's did.
ain't the guys who picked diaw over lee the same ones who thought manu > dirk?
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