Spurs: Boris Diaw vs. David Lee

[FkLA]

You specifically said you'd take post-buyout Diaw (as in the player thrown mid-season into a contender playing 20 MPG and had career low numbers) over David Lee. They're your words, not mine. I didn't have to show you, you just said something incredibly stupid.

Over Lee in the same situation, or on any other contender. Pretty sure I made it clear that I thought Lee is better at staying motivated and putting up numbers on lottery teams.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Over Lee in the same situation, or on any other contender

changing what you said
adding qualifiers
moving the goal posts

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

But David Lee, in that same situation, wouldn't get dropped to 20 MPG, and would produce more than 4 points and 4 rebounds

[FkLA]

No, because his minutes wouldn't get slashed. You, and Spurfan in general, act like there's some minute fairy who comes along and slashes minutes as he pleases arbitrarily regardless of whether or not the players' minutes should get cut. There's no reason to think David Lee's minutes would get slashed to 20 MPG just because Diaw's did.

Actually Spurs' midseason aquisitions getting limited minutes in the past suggests that his minutes would get slashed. Your assumption that Diaw only played 20 mpg because hes a 'fat slob' incapable of playing more is what has no basis considering he was playing ~35 mpg, 80+ games/yr in Charlotte.

[FkLA]

changing what you said
adding qualifiers
moving the goal posts

lol how so? from your 'gems' post:

stats

Ill give you the fact that Lee has more motivation and a better ability to put up numbers on lottery teams. He wouldnt be more than 4th-5th best player on a top team though just like Diaw, and in that role Id take Boris tbh.

Obviously GS isnt a top team and Lee isnt the 4th-5th best player on that team. Ive maintained my stance throughout the argument tbh.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Actually Spurs' midseason aquisitions getting limited minutes in the past suggests that his minutes would get slashed. Your assumption that Diaw only played 20 mpg because hes a 'fat slob' incapable of playing more is what has no basis considering he was playing ~35 mpg, 80+ games/yr in Charlotte.

Well Nazr Mohammed was a midseason acquisition and you JUST SAID he played more minutes than Diaw (even though he didn't and you were making more stuff up )

David Lee isn't comparable to other midseason acquisitions (Diaw, Kurt Thomas, Mohammed). He's better than all of them and the Spurs would never get him at some bargain basement cost.

So why did Diaw's minutes get cut since you seem to know something I don't?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

lol how so? from your 'gems' post:



Obviously GS isnt a top team and Lee isnt the 4th-5th best player on that team. Ive maintained my stance throughout the argument tbh.

Here was your original post:

Honestly despite his fatassness Id take the post-buyout Diaw over Lee.

And before you try to claim that's taken out of context, that was your entire post.

Since then you've been non-stop adding qualifiers and hypotheticals to that original statement

[Latarian Milton]

lee is the better player for damn sure but he also earns 100X more than diaw does, so the fat french slob seems a better option for the spurs & their cheapass owner


playoff ticket sold $2

[FkLA]

Well Nazr Mohammed was a midseason acquisition and you JUST SAID he played more minutes than Diaw (even though he didn't and you were making more stuff up )

David Lee isn't comparable to other midseason acquisitions (Diaw, Kurt Thomas, Mohammed). He's better than all of them and the Spurs would never get him at some bargain basement cost.

So why did Diaw's minutes get cut since you seem to know something I don't?

I ed up on the mpg for Mohammed

Hes also a significantly worse defender than all of them. Gooden was statistically a better scorer/rebounder than all of them as well and he hardly cracked the rotation. Diaws minutes were likely cut because thats how Pop has always handled midseason acquisitions, not because hes a fatass incapable of playing more.

Here was your original post:

And before you try to claim that's taken out of context, that was your entire post.

Since then you've been non-stop adding qualifiers and hypotheticals to that original statement

Kinda figured that it was self-explanatory that I wasnt claiming Id take 4-4 over 20-10 tbh. Either way I cleared it up a whole two posts later in the post I quoted...so why have you been arguing with me for hours since then?

[ElNono]

playoff ticket sold $2

that's why the Spurs don't have money to sign any FA

[FkLA]

Boiled down::

FkLA/Boris Diaw: 1

DoK/David Lee: 0

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I ed up on the mpg for Mohammed

Hes also a significantly worse defender than all of them. Gooden was statistically a better scorer/rebounder than all of them as well and he hardly cracked the rotation.

Yet Gooden managed to do better than 4 points and 4 rebounds

Diaws minutes were likely cut because thats how Pop has always handled midseason acquisitions

So you can't give any reasons specific to Diaw but rather because you think Popovich blindly cuts the minutes of mid season acquisitions regardless of who the player is

Kinda figured that it was self-explanatory that I wasnt claiming Id take 4-4 over 20-10 tbh.

If I was able to explain to myself why anyone would think Boris Diaw is a better basketball player than David Lee, then I'd be able to understand human stupidity a lot better than I do. I'd probably have more hispanic friends.

Either way I cleared it up a whole two posts later in the post I quoted...so why have you been arguing with me for hours since then?

Because even after the countless lane changes and qualifiers, what you're saying is still re ed. Saying you'd chose Boris Diaw because of his defense is pretty stupid. No one has ever considered defense an asset of Diaw's except for Spurs fans in the last 4 months.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Boiled down::

FkLA/Boris Diaw: 1

DoK/David Lee: 0

thinking you won this argument

Here's the real score:

DoK: 30

FkLA: 14

even when some of the 14 were people who voted Diaw as a joke

[BUMP]

No one has ever considered defense an asset of Diaw's except for Spurs fans in the last 4 months.

tbh ever since the game at San Antonio where Dirk had a terrible shooting game and Diaw was guarding him at times, he was permanently etched as a great defender in the minds of Spur fans while ignoring how he was Dirk's turnstile in Phoenix

[FkLA]

Yet Gooden managed to do better than 4 points and 4 rebounds

Yet not a single person would tell you Gooden was a better player for the Spurs that half season than Diaw was last season, shattering your stats argument.

So you can't give any reasons specific to Diaw but rather because you think Popovich blindly cuts the minutes of mid season acquisitions regardless of who the player is

Pop chooses how many minutes players play not Diaw. I cant say Im 100% sure thats why he only played 20 mpg, but Id say its more likely than because hes a fat slob whos incapable of playing more.

If I was able to explain to myself why anyone would think Boris Diaw is a better basketball player than David Lee, then I'd be able to understand human stupidity a lot better than I do. I'd probably have more hispanic friends.


Because even after the countless lane changes and qualifiers, what you're saying is still re ed. Saying you'd chose Boris Diaw because of his defense is pretty stupid. No one has ever considered defense an asset of Diaw's except for Spurs fans in the last 4 months.

Not just because hes a better defender, dont twist my argument lol. He also has a better shot, probably a better post game, and he facilitates for his teammates. Lee is a better rebounder though and hes better at posting double doubles for lottery teams.

[FkLA]

tbh ever since the game at San Antonio where Dirk had a terrible shooting game and Diaw was guarding him at times, he was permanently etched as a great defender in the minds of Spur fans while ignoring how he was Dirk's turnstile in Phoenix

Im not calling Diaw a great defender. And tbf Diggler has made alot of players his turnstile.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yet not a single person would tell you Gooden was a better player for the Spurs that half season than Diaw was last season, shattering your stats argument.

It shatters your notion that Lee would drop down to Diaw's scoring level. I never said Gooden was better than Diaw.....Lee would rebound WAY better than Gooden did.

Pop chooses how many minutes players play not Diaw. I cant say Im 100% sure thats why he only played 20 mpg, but Id say its more likely than because hes a fat slob whos incapable of playing more.

Your saying that Popovich cuts a players' minutes arbitrarily for no reason specific to the player. I somehow doubt that.

Not just because hes a better defender, dont twist my argument lol. He also has a better shot, probably a better post game, and he facilitates for his teammates. Lee is a better rebounder though and hes better at posting double doubles for lottery teams.

going back on what you said. I thought he had a "solid jumpshot and semi-decent post game/ability to finish around the basket just like Lee" like you said here after I provided stats showing how much of a superior scorer Lee is:

I never said Diaw was any less reliant than Lee. Youre acting like I said Diaw is a great one-on-one scorer.

I said aside from having a solid jumpshot and semi-decent post game/ability to finish around the basket just like Lee, he also has an ability to be a facilitator that Lee doesnt have. Which is why Im asking you why youre acting like Diaws offensive contributions start and end with the amount of points he scores ?

Now you're going back on that? Which one is it?

continuing to contradict yourself

[Pelicans78]

Can't believe this is a real conversation. It's obvious Diaw is a max player. Not sure why the Spurs low balled him. Worse, he accepted the low-ball offer.

[FkLA]

It shatters your notion that Lee would drop down to Diaw's scoring level. I never said Gooden was better than Diaw.....Lee would rebound WAY better than Gooden did.

Another hypothetical by the same guy bashing hypotheticals.

And when did I say Lees scoring would drop down to Boris' level ?

Your saying that Popovich cuts a players' minutes arbitrarily for no reason specific to the player. I somehow doubt that.

There is a reason actually. Theyre all mid-season acquisitions.

going back on what you said. I thought he had a "solid jumpshot and semi-decent post game/ability to finish around the basket just like Lee" like you said here after I provided stats showing how much of a superior scorer Lee is:

Now you're going back on that? Which one is it?

continuing to contradict yourself

Dude you nitpick at so much. First the 2.7 stuff and now this.

Im not going back on anything. Me using the word similar or like isnt the same thing as me saying theyre identical. Lee does have a solid shot just like Diaw, probably less range though. Neither of their post games are anything special either, Id give the slight edge to Diaw though. Its not that hard tbh

[FkLA]

Lets just bump this mid-season though. Boris will prove me right yet again tbh.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Another hypothetical by the same guy bashing hypotheticals.

And when did I say Lees scoring would drop down to Boris' level ?

Right here:

his usage and contribution in the paint would be very similar to Diaws.

You said it would be "very similar to Diaw"....here comes some semantics about how that's different.

There is a reason actually. Theyre all mid-season acquisitions.

So he drops minutes blindly because a player is a mid season acquisition? That's also something I doubt.

Dude you nitpick at so much. First the 2.7 stuff and now this.

Im not going back on anything. Me using the word similar or like isnt the same thing as me saying theyre identical. Lee does have a solid shot just like Diaw, probably less range though. Neither of their post games are anything special either, Id give the slight edge to Diaw though. Its not that hard tbh

Here's a previous post of yours about their jump shots and interior scoring:

I never said Diaw was any different than Lee in those areas btw

So now you are saying Diaw is different in those areas? Which is it? Were you lying then or are you lying now?


I'm pretty sure "not being different at all" is the same thing as "identical"

[FkLA]

wtf man

If you read the posts before and after that one, the argument in question at that time was assisted jumpshots. Neither of them are one-on-one players that get their jumpshots off on isos, they both get most of them off of assists. Theyre not any different in that sense not in the sense that their jumpshots are identically as good (or bad).

Youre digging too deep brah. Like I said lets just wait till the season starts.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So what you're saying is that Diaw is a better ball handler, has more range on his jumper than Lee, and has a slightly better inside game, but you admit Lee would score more points than Diaw does in Diaw's role.

That makes tons of sense

[100%duncan]

I voted David Lee so DOK wont e-bully me no more

[FkLA]

bump for thin boris




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