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A 5 or 6 seed in the East(whatever seed they were) is a non playoff team in the West. And Indiana is a mediocre team at best. They have good players, but no stars. Which is why they have peaked.
...or mavsMavericks?
Plus it's not like S&T don't exist... IMO, Dwight is going to end up a Laker or a Knick sooner or later...
A 5 or 6 seed in the East(whatever seed they were) is a non playoff team in the West. And Indiana is a mediocre team at best. They have good players, but no stars. Which is why they have peaked.
After all the sandwich 14th picks they've been feeding us, I'm ready to take a risk.Then we're on the same page now, finally.
But you see, after dealing with Magic, it would take longer for Rockets to rebuild because they would have bad contracts and less picks. The deal makes no sense unless Dwight will stay.
The only times a rental makes sense is if you're going for a le run. Rockets will need quite a bit more for that, namely less PFs and more PGs
But I'm just poking fun, if you firmly believe it's smart for Rockets to go after Dwight then enjoy the possibility
Honestly Djohn, it's time to rebuild. Time for Les and Morey to stop trying to settle for a 7th or 8th seed. Dump Scola, play the young guys, and tank for two top 10 picks.
Not really... right now Bryant, Gasol, Nash, and Bynum add up to $72 million... that's 2 million over the lux tax line, which next year might be just about the tax line... Bynum comes off the books, so that's $16 million going away...
Then they can amnesty MWP for another $7 million... that would put them at about $20 million under the luxury cap, probably enough to cover whatever other contracts they'll have at the time (right now they only have Blake and Eyenga, which add up to $6 million)...
Well, if you assume that they will let Bynum walk....
Yes and they're one player away from being a legit contender and Indiana would have been a PO team this year in the west. They went 13-5 against the west this year and were the third best team in the east all year long.
They took the eventual NBA champs to 6 games. They played better than OKC and you say they wouldn't have made the playoffs in the west?????
If they're getting Dwight, why not?
We're keep him for closeout games & 3pt shooting
Then what do they have left that Orlando would want? Pau?
They would still have to send out about 20M in salary.
That's true.
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Not when you don't have a ing PG and a mess of a roster. If Rockets take on bad contracts then it's going to become a nightmare to build around Dwight if he stays (10% chance tbh). Taking on a player like that is more of a move you do on a clean slate, not one with stains of on it.
If you think Dwight is going to solve any problems then you're in the same league as lakerfans who think Dwight + Nash + Kobe = 3peat
It doesn't matter what else you have on the roster, your very first goal is always to get your franchise player. It is completely laughable to say there is only a 10% chance he stays. He won't have many options, and despite what your brilliant mind thinks, he would be leaving significant money on the table. You shouldn't speak so matter of factly when it's obvious you don't know more than anyone else what Dwight will do. The reward greatly, greatly outweighs the risk here.Not when you don't have a ing PG and a mess of a roster. If Rockets take on bad contracts then it's going to become a nightmare to build around Dwight if he stays (10% chance tbh). Taking on a player like that is more of a move you do on a clean slate, not one with stains of on it.
If you think Dwight is going to solve any problems then you're in the same league as lakerfans who think Dwight + Nash + Kobe = 3peat
The contracts aren't all that bad, and Hedo's (the only real bad one) isn't guaranteed after this year. Team building 101: you get your cornerstone first, figure out the rest of the roster afterwards. Jesus pass1st, what the happened to you? I used to think you were a quality poster, now you just spout very presumptive bull and laugh at every move a team tries to make. You were the (only) one who said the Rockets' offer was compared to Brooklyn anyways, so why should we give a if it doesn't work out? IF Dwight leaves, it's not like we'd be players in free agency anyways, so having a bad contract on the books for a year or two in JRich's case won't affect our tanking.
Just to be clear: The Rockets are a bad team right now, without any semblance of a future or a player that could turn into a star. They have the chance to acquire this decade's best center without many enticing teams figuring to have cap room next summer. It is absolutely ridiculous to suggest we don't pull the trigger if we can.
I'm thinking the Magic would want some young talent and/or a boat load of picks for Howard from the rockets. And, if Howard bolts after the year, that'll leave the rockets with what?
Well we don't have the details of a deal, but I doubt Orlando takes all of our young guys AND gives us their bad contracts, but if they somehow did we wouldn't have too much less than we have now. We'd be a bad team with all of our OWN picks to build with. If Dwight leaves, which is far from certain, we just simply press the reset button. We don't own any bad contract ourselves, so having 1 or two "bad" deals (Duhon/Rich really don't make that much) wouldn't be a back breaker. Even with those contracts, we could still have room for a max player next year, so it's not like we'd be capped out. Trading for Dwight and losing him only pushes the rebuilding phase back a year. Trading for Dwight and keeping him puts us in a position to compete.
No, your very first goal should be being able to build around a franchise player. 10% is pretty generous as well, he never mentioned Rockets and the money loss vastly exaggerated by people for some reason.
You're acting like if you get Dwight he will twiddle his thumbs and wait for Rockets to get their together. You don't get a franchise player through trade without the room to start rebuilding right away.
Riddle me this: who is going to play PG? Who is going to compliment Dwight's inside game with shooting? Who is going to pressure the D to take the doubles off of him? We're talking about a foul-prone, low BBIQ monkeyballer that requires somebody to run the floor for him. Rockets cannot facilitate that anytime soon. Do you think he's going to wait? Do you think he will trust the Rocket's brass that he won't be playing for another team? He's 26, this is his prime, from his demands it's obvious he isn't in the mood to "wait & see".
Magic couldn't fulfill any of that to a significant degree. He was frustrated because Magic just couldn't build around him. You can criticize me for this all you want, but it's pretty much blatant denial to say he's not a rental at this point and time.
The difference between our two stances: I am saying I'm not sure what will happen and it is well worth the risk on a top 5 player. YOU are speaking with assumptions and acting like not making this move will be better for the Rockets.
I'm not saying this is the definite right thing to do for the Rockets. I'm sure as not saying he's staying in Houston. All I'm saying is that this plan is a of a lot better than staying mediocre. s gravy with me if he stays or goes. At least we have a direction and get out of neutral.
Here's the thing though, these aren't straight up assumptions. If he went to rockets right now, he will be going to a gutted team that desperately needs to fix their roster. If Dwight was patient, he would have stayed with Magic where he gets paid and is basically treated like a god.
This would make rockets better....for ONE SEASON. Actually, it might not, because Rockets gave up a lot already and if they give up Scola, , they better make major pickups or run Dwight into the ground trying to get into the 8th seed.
I'm using evidence here from his actions and decisions. Dwight is not patient right now, he wants to go to a team with good players and promise of getting better.
Nets, new franchise with an excellent PG and good (albeit expensive) player in JJ.
Lakers, solid team already with the ability to facilitate him further in the near future.
Mavs, recent champs with one of the best PFs in Dirk and good chance to get D. Will. This is during last deadline, not now.
My only assumption was that the money loss isn't worrying him, I'm just taking a guess at that because the money loss isn't a lot considering how much he will earn from NBA and endorsements.
Now, you on the other hand have been completely ignoring where Howard is at right now. The man is a mess and desperately wants to be on the Nets. He is about to leave a franchise that was a complete mess and for some reason you think there is a fair chance he will stick around in another franchise that's a complete mess. A franchise that will likely have to start tanking for picks.
Gotta go with Kai tbh. Worst case scenario is Dwight leaves and you have to rebuild which is pretty much what Houston is trying to do right now. It'd just be 1 year later. The chance that Dwight stays(Houston can offer him a lot more money and money talks) you get a top 2-5 player that you can build around. It'd be different if Houston was in say the Mavs situation with a declining superstar but Houston has been in mediocrity for years now.
Now is the chance to make a splash and if Howard does en up leaving, rockets are pretty much in the same position they are now: stuck in mediocrity where they are a .500 team
I agree with you to an extent. There is no doubt all of those locations were more enticing than Houston. The fact of the matter is though, if the Rockets trade for him, he can't go to any of those (maybe Dallas but they don't look so hot anymore). His choices will be more like Utah, Atlanta and Dallas. None of those will get him the big shoe deals LA or NY would.
We don't know Morey's plan after he acquires Dwight, so I'm not going to pretend like I know what the roster will look like after a deal, and I don't think it's fair to just look at our roster of 13 PF/SFs and assume whatever doesn't go to Orlando will stay on the team. Getting him for a year to establish a comfort level with the guy, talk big picture with him, let him get a feel with the city and organization is paramount for the Rockets. I honestly don't think convincing him to stay is as tall of a task as you seem to think it is. All it took was Joe Johnson (who more or less anybody could have traded for) to get Deron to stay.
Doesn't the new luxury tax hit after next season as well? That may change a lot of teams payroll as they don't want to be ed by paying the luxury tax. No way NYK is going to be able to afford Melo, Amare, TC, Kidd, and Jlin. Something gotta give
houston are so desperate for a franchise player, something that has been absent on this team since olajuwon's departure, that they wouldn't scruple to pull the trigger once there's a chance to get one even if that's probably gonna be a one year rental
The thing is, a lot of enticing pieces have already been snagged. Nash, Deron, Dragic and Lowry are off the table. What I've been trying to say is that Rockets need a big move to keep Dwight and they probably will need to make it by this deadline because Dwight, from all I have seen, will probably want at least a minor guarantee things will be better.
I say 10% rockets keep him, which I thought was generous, because Rockets need a big signing or several good signings. It's being too optimistic he would stay for anything less than a solid PG and strong bench additions with serviceable shooters. If Scola is actually gone then it just makes it a more dire situation.
That being said, Dwight might stay, but Rockets are taking a huge gamble since there is no evidence he wants to even be there.
At any rate, hopefully the team gets their together before the deadline. They might entice Dwight if they landed a big name, looks like monkeyball dwight isn't being moved until later.
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