The official Dwight Howard to the Rockets Thread

[Killakobe81]

I doubt it is for as much as being reported ... but if the Magic can get CLOSE to this specualted trade, they would be crazy to say no.

Rockets general manager Daryl Morey is feverishly trying to construct a trade that will allow the Rockets to take back, in addition to Howard, some combination of Richardson, Davis, Duhon and Hedo Turkoglu. With Scola's three remaining seasons valued at roughly $21 million off the books, the Rockets believe they can create the requisite cap space to do so.

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If they could snag 2 of the Rox 3 rookies, Parsons and the Toronto and Dallas future number ones ... that is a uva return for Dwight. I doubt any of those guys even Parsons becomes a true star. But you shed salary, add young assets on rookie deals and picks to further build your roster. Plus you tank for a lotto pick.

[Killakobe81]

It gets better:

Houston officials, though, remain steadfast in their belief that, even if the Bulls decline to match on Asik, they'll be able to absorb at least three of the four aforementioned Magic role players: Richardson, Davis, Duhon and Turkoglu. Sources say the Rockets would have to send Kevin Martin, Patrick Patterson, Marcus Morris and Chandler Parsons to the Magic from their current roster to make the salary-cap math work, as well the draft rights to Jeremy Lamb, Royce White and Terrence Jones, all selected in last month's first round.

Morey the stat wizard is going "all in" ...

[djohn2oo8]

You believe everything that is spewed from ESPN? That is not the proposed trade.

[Killakobe81]

And I hadnt been there since the Yao/Tmac in their prime days, but 75% of the "clutchfans" were in meltdown mode last night. It was almost as bad as what the Sternimator did to LG, and this deal is far from official.

[djohn2oo8]

True, however everyone knows ESPN is full of . From Ric Bucher saying Dwight to Brooklyn was 80% likely to happen, to the Rockets having 0% chance of acquiring Dwight, to saying the Rockets don't have the capspace to do it. I don't trust anyone but Adrian Woj from yahoo.

[Killakobe81]

You believe everything that is spewed from ESPN? That is not the proposed trade.

Nope. Read the OP. I said if they can get CLOSE to that deal ...Magic need to say yes. I dont see how Morey accepts the specualted trade. But I bet it is in the "ball-park"

Nets offered Lopez 4 picks and taking on 2 bad contracts. To make a similar offer, you would need to send at least 2 of your rookies, Parsons and eat 2 bad ones as well. To seal the deal maybe you offer some of the future picks you guys acquired. All I know is 75% of Clutchfans are in panic mode.

Oh, and Rox fans vastly overrate Morris and Parsons they make it sound as you are trading a young Grant Hill and Barkley in a Dwight deal.

[Koolaid_Man]

It gets better:

Houston officials, though, remain steadfast in their belief that, even if the Bulls decline to match on Asik, they'll be able to absorb at least three of the four aforementioned Magic role players: Richardson, Davis, Duhon and Turkoglu. Sources say the Rockets would have to send Kevin Martin, Patrick Patterson, Marcus Morris and Chandler Parsons to the Magic from their current roster to make the salary-cap math work, as well the draft rights to Jeremy Lamb, Royce White and Terrence Jones, all selected in last month's first round.

Morey the stat wizard is going "all in" ...

the Rockets are literally at the mercy of their own stupidity. If I was Orlando I wouldn't accept all that trash from Houston. If LA will take back J-Rich I'd call it a deal because they can still tank with Bynum get a high pick and rebuild while remaining compe ive. Picks alone rarely mean anything unless they're top 10. Specifically top 5.

[djohn2oo8]

Nope. Read the OP. I said if they can get CLOSE to that deal ...Magic need to say yes. I dont see how Morey accepts the specualted trade. But I bet it is in the "ball-park"

Nets offered Lopez 4 picks and taking on 2 bad contracts. To make a similar offer, you would need to send at least 2 of your rookies, Parsons and eat 2 bad ones as well. To seal the deal maybe you offer some of the future picks you guys acquired. All I know is 75% of Clutchfans are in panic mode.

Oh, and Rox fans vastly overrate Morris and Parsons they make it sound as you are trading a young Grant Hill and Barkley in a Dwight deal.

Parsons isn't overrated. Morris is. 2 rooks and 2 bad contracts + 2 picks isn't as bad as ESPN made it sound by trading everybody.

[Killakobe81]

the Rockets are literally at the mercy of their own stupidity. If I was Orlando I wouldn't accept all that trash from Houston. If LA will take back J-Rich I'd call it a deal because they can still tank with Bynum get a high pick and rebuild while remaining compe ive. Picks alone rarely mean anything unless they're top 10. Specifically top 5.

Again this is all specualtive. And I agree Parsons was a nice pick but Im not sure that there is a potential legit star maybe not even a "legit" (deserving) potential all-star out of all those young guys. But in that trade

Magic get:

Picks (decent = Rox, Mavs great Raptors)
Young players with upside on cheap contracts (Parsons/rookies
Salary dump (Trading the poo-poo Davis, Jrich and Turk contracts)

Sure Bynum is better than every player the Rox have, but I cant hate. THIS is the kind of trade you ask for when trading away a top 5 player

[Killakobe81]

Parsons isn't overrated. Morris is. 2 rooks and 2 bad contracts + 2 picks isn't as bad as ESPN made it sound by trading everybody.

He is very good, had a nice game against us this year. But do you read clutchfans? Rockets fans were accusing Rox fans of overrating Parsons.
Dont shoot the messenger, DJ. A rox fan accused some of your fanbase of caling Parsons the white Scottie Pippen.

That happens. Spurstalk overrated Blair and Tiago. Laker fans did the same with Sessions especially after his gamewinner last season.

[djohn2oo8]

the Rockets are literally at the mercy of their own stupidity. If I was Orlando I wouldn't accept all that trash from Houston. If LA will take back J-Rich I'd call it a deal because they can still tank with Bynum get a high pick and rebuild while remaining compe ive. Picks alone rarely mean anything unless they're top 10. Specifically top 5.

Dumbass, why would they tank and pay Bynum the max while they did it?

[djohn2oo8]

He is very good, had a nice game against us this year. But do you read clutchfans? Rockets fans were accusing Rox fans of overrating Parsons.
Dont shoot the messenger, DJ. A rox fan accused some of your fanbase of caling Parsons the white Scottie Pippen.

That happens. Spurstalk overrated Blair and Tiago. Laker fans did the same with Sessions especially after his gamewinner last season.

I know they're re ed. One said Scola was better than Bynum . I'm saying that I don't overrate Parsons myself, because I know he's a solid role player right now, and a hustle player I'd like to see stay here.

[Killakobe81]

I know they're re ed. One said Scola was better than Bynum . I'm saying that I don't overrate Parsons myself, because I know he's a solid role player right now, and a hustle player I'd like to see stay here.

No doubt. I never seen you be ridiculous in your praise, and I had not been threr in a while. I used to visit in the old Kobe vs. TMAC and Shaq vs. Yao debate days ...



I know LG, has it's share of assclowns too. Same as here.

[Koolaid_Man]

Dumbass, why would they tank and pay Bynum the max while they did it?

To get a legit top prospect to pair with a 24yr old Bynum rather than that Houston is throwing at them. I'd rather tank with safety net of Bynum vs Parsons...its a business they still need to sell tickets...

[Killakobe81]

Oh and LG last night was in "concede defeat mode" with this and the Rox news that they are allegedly are following Dwight, Duhon, Turk and Davis on Twitter.

I was never all in on Dwight though, But I do think he fits better with Nash than Bynum. But I also think Bynums game will age better and he is younger despite his iffy knees. I will be a bit disappointed on losing Dwight but not if we had to eat a turd sandwich of contracts. Dwight is not worth THAT much to us, maybe he is to the Rox. more power to them if they complete a deal. Some folks feel (25% of Clutch fans) it doesnt mtter how much they give up as long as they get the best player in the trade. Usually the team with the superstar wins most trades, long-term. Now if completed they just need to sign Dwight. Dallas will come hard in the off-season ...

[djohn2oo8]

Oh and LG last night was in "concede defeat mode" with this and the Magic allegedly are following Dwight, Duhon, Turk and Davis on Twitter.

I was never all in on Dwight though I do he fits better with Nash than Bynum. But i think Bynums game will age better and his younger despite his iffy knees. I will be a bit disappointed but not if we had to eat a turd sandwich of contracts. Dwight is not worth THAT much to us, maybe he is to the Rox.

Les Alexander has never been about tanking, except when Yao was drafted. Attendance is down. You get Dwight, attendance goes up. You convince him to stay by saying 30 million + ask who does he want to play with? Let's say Griffin s up his knee seriously, would CP3 stay in L.A.?

[Koolaid_Man]

Again this is all specualtive. And I agree Parsons was a nice pick but Im not sure that there is a potential legit star maybe not even a "legit" (deserving) potential all-star out of all those young guys. But in that trade

Magic get:

Picks (decent = Rox, Mavs great Raptors)
Young players with upside on cheap contracts (Parsons/rookies
Salary dump (Trading the poo-poo Davis, Jrich and Turk contracts)

Sure Bynum is better than every player the Rox have, but I cant hate. THIS is the kind of trade you ask for when trading away a top 5 player

It all depends on the direction the Magic want to go. Losing Dwight isn't a death sentence if you add Bynum...I hear their owner may not live too much longer...I would want to go out fielding a compe ve team rather than a rebuilding project....

This trade sets both teams back for years....the Rockets are delusional they'll be doing no more than testing out Dwights back for us...

[Killakobe81]

Les Alexander has never been about tanking, except when Yao was drafted. Attendance is down. You get Dwight, attendance goes up. You convince him to stay by saying 30 million + ask who does he want to play with? Let's say Griffin s up his knee seriously, would CP3 stay in L.A.?

One part I didnt get is if they do eat multiple turd contracts how do they sign Dwight and another star? Too lazy to do the math but have seen conflicting reports on how much space would be left if they ate say:
Turk, Davis or Duhon and Jrich?

[djohn2oo8]

One part I didnt get is if they do eat multiple turd contracts how do they sign Dwight and another star? Too lazy to do the math but have seen conflicting reports on how much space would be left if they ate say:
Turk, Davis or Duhon and Jrich?

Don't know the math myself but according to Adrian Woj of yahoo they'd be 20 mil under the cap, enough for another max player.

[Killakobe81]

It all depends on the direction the Magic want to go. Losing Dwight isn't a death sentence if you add Bynum...I hear their owner may not live too much longer...I would want to go out fielding a compe ve team rather than a rebuilding project....

This trade sets both teams back for years....the Rockets are delusional they'll be doing no more than testing out Dwights back for us...

Bynum is a great start. But not enough the 3-way is the most logical deal that has been specualted. But Dwight sells seats Bynum does not. unless Diva-ass Dwight sys I will just sign with Nets and Lakers there is no incentive for Rox to help us get him when they can cut us out of the deal. Dwight's the one screwing up his trade prospects, blame him on why he is not coming to the Lakers.

[Nathan89]

Magic Know they can't rebuild around 7'1 injury prone child. This will be the best trade available.

Rockets need to hold on to some of their assets or not take on as many contracts. They need to position themselves to become significantly better than the Magic ever were. Not be the exact team in different jerseys. I definitely wouldn't take back Glen Davis. I would try to keep Parsons(based off very little I seen from him). As well has holding on to Jeremy Lamb. It might be taking too much off the table but Rockets need to have a much brighter future now. Magic need to just prepare to suck.

[Koolaid_Man]

Bynum is a great start. But not enough the 3-way is the most logical deal that has been specualted. But Dwight sells seats Bynum does not. unless Diva-ass Dwight sys I will just sign with Nets and Lakers there is no incentive for Rox to help us get him when they can cut us out of the deal. Dwight's the one screwing up his trade prospects, blame him on why he is not coming to the Lakers.

I actually think this works out best for the Lakers....Houston is testing his back for us.

[Killakobe81]

Don't know the math myself but according to Adrian Woj of yahoo they'd be 20 mil under the cap, enough for another max player.

Still not a great team if that trade went down but Dwight and another max guy would still be a bottom 4 playoff team in the West. I have to say if you pull it off only the Lakers would have a better history of centers:

Moses, Hakeem, Yao (for a short while) and Dwight is a nice legacy.

Mikan, Kareem, Shaq would be better though ...

[Killakobe81]

Magic Know they can't rebuild around 7'1 injury prone child. This will be the best trade available.

Rockets need to hold on to some of their assets or not take on as many contracts. They need to position themselves to become significantly better than the Magic ever were. Not be the exact team in different jerseys. I definitely wouldn't take back Glen Davis. I would try to keep Parsons(based off very little I seen from him). As well has holding on to Jeremy Lamb. It might be taking too much off the table but Rockets need to have a much brighter future now. Magic need to just prepare to suck.

Magic still need to sell seats and their fans on the Dwight trade. No way I trade Dwight without: Lamb, Parsons (Florida Gator) White and the Raptors and Mavs future picks. If I'm the Magic I also try to make it hard for Rox to offer full-max to another star but that is a bottom priority. the first is getting at least 75 cents on the dollar.

[Killakobe81]

I actually think this works out best for the Lakers....Houston is testing his back for us.

Mitch even said another blockbuster unlikely. Unless Rox (or Dwight) reverse field and decide Bynum and keeping some of their picks is a better option than going all in on Dwight with no extension. Dwight is NOTcoming to the Lakers. And him coming wouldnt of fixed our other issues anyway. We still lack shooting, athletes and a reliable bench.