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    Fuzzy Numb Nuts.

    CC isn't one that defends me, it's pretty rare if he does, and I actually cannot recall a time he did. WH defends me more than he does. We agree on some things and don't on others. I think I defend him far more.

    The only thing I can think of, is that you and other believe that pointing out racial facts and statistics, and/or not being politically correct means one is racist. It's not my fault that such errors of opinion are common.

    Are we suppose to not talk about something that someone may find offensives as a group? Isn't your form of trying to shut people up, just another form of censorship?

    You can call me a racist all you want. It doesn't make it so. If you go back and carefully think about my wording, I never say the things you paraphrase me saying.
    You are such an idiot. Socially unaware and just dumb as . diaf.

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    doesn't matter what race you are. getting to know wc is harrowing.

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    Oh and CC you have been here since before 4PM CST. As i said introspection is important before you criticize others.

    I don't say stupid hateful racist so I feel comfortable pointing out when WC does it.

    You have been here for over 2 hours and you feel comfortable criticizing someone for 45 minutes.

    bag hypocrite is bag.

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    You are such an idiot. Socially unaware and just dumb as . diaf.
    Just because I don't like so many social things I see, doesn't mean I'm unaware.

    You have to do better than that Fungus. My oh my. You grow like mold, don't you?

    If CC and myself having similar views about you, and expressing it, means support for each other, then I really have to wonder about your sanity.

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    doesn't matter what race you are. getting to know wc is harrowing.
    The why do you stalk me every day?

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    The why do you stalk me every day?
    i wasn't talking to you.

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    blake and i don't agree on the aspects of this case.

    blake and i, and many others, agree about you.

    yes, now i'm talking to you.

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    Just because I don't like so many social things I see, doesn't mean I'm unaware.

    You have to do better than that Fungus. My oh my. You grow like mold, don't you?

    If CC and myself having similar views about you, and expressing it, means support for each other, then I really have to wonder about your sanity.


    Hear that CC? Here's your kindred spirit. Bosom buddies even.

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    MIAMI - After interviewing nearly three dozen people in the George Zimmerman murder case, the FBI found no evidence that racial bias was a motivating factor in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, records released Thursday show.

    Even the lead detective in the case, Sanford Detective Chris Serino, told agents that he thought Zimmerman profiled Trayvon because of his attire and the cir stances - but not his race.


    Serino saw Zimmerman as "having little hero complex, but not as a racist."

    The Duval County State Attorney released another collection of evidence in the Zimmerman murder case Thursday, including reports from FBI agents who investigated whether any racial bias was involved in Trayvon’s Feb. 26 killing.

    The evidence includes bank surveillance videos from the day of the killing, crime scene photos and memos from prosecutors.

    Among the do ents is a note from the prosecutor who said one of the witnesses said her son, a minor, had felt pressured by investigators to say the injured man he saw was wearing a red top. The boy’s testimony had been considered key, because it backed up Zimmerman’s allegation that he - wearing red - was being pummeled.

    Federal agents interviewed Zimmerman’s neighbors and co-workers, but none said Zimmerman had expressed racial animus at any time prior to the Feb. 26 shooting of Martin, a black teen, in a confrontation at a Sanford housing complex. As Sanford police investigated the cir stances of Martin’s death, the FBI opened a parallel probe to determine if Martin’s civil rights had been violated.

    Several co-workers said they had never seen Zimmerman display any prejudice or racial bias.

    Two co-workers told agents they spoke with Zimmerman the day after the shooting, and both said they noticed injuries to Zimmerman’s nose and the back of his head. One person said Zimmerman was "absolutely devastated."

    Zimmerman told both colleagues that he followed Martin - whom Zimmerman described as a "su ious person" - so he could tell police where the teen went, but was then "jumped" by Martin. Zimmerman told both that Martin reached for Zimmerman’s gun before Zimmerman shot Martin.

    In all, the FBI interviewed 35 people about Zimmerman, from current and former co-workers to neighbors and an ex-girlfriend.

    Among the revelations found in nearly 300 pages of records:

    -Zimmerman arrived at one of his police interviews with a friend who works as an air marshal. That friend told police Zimmerman was physically abused by his mother and had been estranged from his family.

    -The day Zimmerman turned himself in to be charged with second-degree murder, authorities confiscated a handgun from his car.

    -A gun dealer called police to say that some time in mid-March, Zimmerman called to say he was afraid for his life and "needed more guns.

    -An ex-girlfriend said Zimmerman had outbursts and sometimes threatened suicide. She suspected it was a result of Accutane, the acne medicine he took. She said he was the "last person in the world" she thought would be involved in such an incident.

    -The ex girlfriend said she and Zimmerman had a violent argument when she caught him on a singles dating web site, even though they were engaged to be married.

    -Trayvon’s cousin said he would swear "on a stack of bibles" that the person shouting in a 911 tape that recorded screams during the struggle was Trayvon.


    Zimmerman, 28, claims Trayvon attacked him, breaking his nose and slamming his head on the concrete at the Retreat at Twin Lakes townhouse complex. Specially appointed prosecutors who investigated the case charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder, which carries a potential life sentence.

    The state attorney’s office says Zimmerman wrongly assumed Trayvon was a criminal, and says he did not suffer injuries serious enough to require deadly force to defend himself.

    The U.S. Department of Justice and FBI stepped in about a month after the killing, as protesters nationwide criticized the investigation. The original probe was conducted by police in Sanford, the central Florida community where Zimmerman lives and Trayvon was visiting while suspended from school.

    Visit The Miami Herald at www.miamiherald.com

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    MIAMI - After interviewing nearly three dozen people in the George Zimmerman murder case, the FBI found no evidence that racial bias was a motivating factor in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, records released Thursday show.

    Even the lead detective in the case, Sanford Detective Chris Serino, told agents that he thought Zimmerman profiled Trayvon because of his attire and the cir stances - but not his race.


    Serino saw Zimmerman as "having little hero complex, but not as a racist."

    The Duval County State Attorney released another collection of evidence in the Zimmerman murder case Thursday, including reports from FBI agents who investigated whether any racial bias was involved in Trayvon’s Feb. 26 killing.

    The evidence includes bank surveillance videos from the day of the killing, crime scene photos and memos from prosecutors.

    Among the do ents is a note from the prosecutor who said one of the witnesses said her son, a minor, had felt pressured by investigators to say the injured man he saw was wearing a red top. The boy’s testimony had been considered key, because it backed up Zimmerman’s allegation that he - wearing red - was being pummeled.

    Federal agents interviewed Zimmerman’s neighbors and co-workers, but none said Zimmerman had expressed racial animus at any time prior to the Feb. 26 shooting of Martin, a black teen, in a confrontation at a Sanford housing complex. As Sanford police investigated the cir stances of Martin’s death, the FBI opened a parallel probe to determine if Martin’s civil rights had been violated.

    Several co-workers said they had never seen Zimmerman display any prejudice or racial bias.

    Two co-workers told agents they spoke with Zimmerman the day after the shooting, and both said they noticed injuries to Zimmerman’s nose and the back of his head. One person said Zimmerman was "absolutely devastated."

    Zimmerman told both colleagues that he followed Martin - whom Zimmerman described as a "su ious person" - so he could tell police where the teen went, but was then "jumped" by Martin. Zimmerman told both that Martin reached for Zimmerman’s gun before Zimmerman shot Martin.

    In all, the FBI interviewed 35 people about Zimmerman, from current and former co-workers to neighbors and an ex-girlfriend.

    Among the revelations found in nearly 300 pages of records:

    -Zimmerman arrived at one of his police interviews with a friend who works as an air marshal. That friend told police Zimmerman was physically abused by his mother and had been estranged from his family.

    -The day Zimmerman turned himself in to be charged with second-degree murder, authorities confiscated a handgun from his car.

    -A gun dealer called police to say that some time in mid-March, Zimmerman called to say he was afraid for his life and "needed more guns.

    -An ex-girlfriend said Zimmerman had outbursts and sometimes threatened suicide. She suspected it was a result of Accutane, the acne medicine he took. She said he was the "last person in the world" she thought would be involved in such an incident.

    -The ex girlfriend said she and Zimmerman had a violent argument when she caught him on a singles dating web site, even though they were engaged to be married.

    -Trayvon’s cousin said he would swear "on a stack of bibles" that the person shouting in a 911 tape that recorded screams during the struggle was Trayvon.


    Zimmerman, 28, claims Trayvon attacked him, breaking his nose and slamming his head on the concrete at the Retreat at Twin Lakes townhouse complex. Specially appointed prosecutors who investigated the case charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder, which carries a potential life sentence.

    The state attorney’s office says Zimmerman wrongly assumed Trayvon was a criminal, and says he did not suffer injuries serious enough to require deadly force to defend himself.

    The U.S. Department of Justice and FBI stepped in about a month after the killing, as protesters nationwide criticized the investigation. The original probe was conducted by police in Sanford, the central Florida community where Zimmerman lives and Trayvon was visiting while suspended from school.

    Visit The Miami Herald at www.miamiherald.com

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    telling 2 co-workers that martin went for the gun is pure hearsay.

    exactly where was he working?

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    telling 2 co-workers that martin went for the gun is pure hearsay.

    exactly where was he working?
    Ask the FBI. It was their investigation and THEM that said he wasn't a racist.

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    i'd ask that question.

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    We now know there won't be a federal civil rights violation charge.

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    We now know there won't be a federal civil rights violation charge.
    unless there's some new push.

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    unless there's some new push.
    Even as ed up and politically driven as Holder is he wouldn't charge when the FBI says there aren't any grounds.

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    Even as ed up and politically driven as Holder is he wouldn't charge when the FBI says there aren't any grounds.
    lol singling out holder. there's still plenty of time for new evidence.

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    It's not that hard. There were a few burglaries committed by black people in the area. Zimmerman saw a BLACK guy that he didn't recognize and made the connection that he must be a burglar because the other guys were black as well. Racial Profiling. It's just that simple.

    So it was the hoodie he says that made him suspect? So if there was a white guy in a hoodie that he didn't recognize, he would accuse him of trying to rob? I seriously doubt that. I genuinely seriously doubt that especially when crimes weren't committed by them.

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    http://www.talkleft.com/story/2012/7/13/52419/3858

    Zimmerman Investigator felt Peer Pressure to Charge

    In Sanford Investigator Chris Serino's 2 page interview with the FBI, he says he felt pressure from three officers to charge Zimmerman, even though he didn't feel there was enoughe evidence to charge. He didn't believe Zimmerman was motivated by racial bias. The Miami Herald article is here, and Serino's FBI interview is here.

    According to Serino, one of the cops pressuring hims was a Sgt. Barns, who Serino said is a friend of Tracy Martin's. Barns even asked Serino for Martin's phone number. Serino says he ended up getting it from somewhere else. My likely suspect: Team Crump.

    Serino told the FBI this during a discussion about his concern that officers were leaking information.

    Serino also told the FBI that he didn't think George was racist, but that he may have had something of a "hero complex". [More...]


    Barns, in his own interview, doesn't mention he's friends with Tracy Martin. His focal point is on the potential racial uprising if no charges are brought.

    On March 13, Crump team member Natalie Jackson is quoted in the Orlando Sentinel as saying:

    "Racism is too simple. It may have been a factor," said family attorney Natalie Jackson. But also to blame was Zimmerman's "hero complex." He should never have gotten out of his vehicle and confronted Trayvon, she said.

    Serino's interview was on March 3. Her comment reorted in the Orlando Sentinel was on March 13. Who leaked Serino's statement to Team Crump?

    Coincidence? Not in my mind.

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    Here's the Miami Herald Story

    TRAYVON MARTIN CASE
    Detective in Zimmerman case said he was pressured to file charges


    Telling the FBI that he was concerned that people inside the police department were leaking information, Serino cited Sgt. Arthur Barnes, officers Rebecca Villalona and Trekelle Perkins “as all pressuring him to file charges against Zimmerman after the incident,” an FBI report said. “Serino did not believe he had enough evidence at the time to file charges.”
    ...

    Serino, a 15-year veteran of the department who was a major-crimes investigator, was demoted last month to overnight patrol.
    So, he was punished for not towing the narrative line.

    This is going to end up the same way as the Duke LaCrosse prosecution.

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    should have filed charges. glad they did.

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    This is going to end up the same way as the Duke LaCrosse prosecution.
    I believed the MSM at first, but the more that comes to light, the more it looks that way.

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    I believed the MSM...
    First mistake. You can't believe them on Presidential Politics either.

    ...at first, but the more that comes to light, the more it looks that way.
    Yep.

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    lol pressure

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    or you can just believe the liar.

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