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    Be that as it may, Obama gonwax dettt GOP ass yet AGAIN this November

    you're blindly proud of that as if it's going to help your life or something

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    this country honestly needs massive austerity,
    Like 1% who say the same, the austerity hawks, the "shared sacrifice" hypocrits, you of course exclude yourself from massive austerity, right?
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    maybe i said that wrong, austerity means reduction in government spending right? my idea is to take it right out of the defense budget, cut that sucker in half. bring home all troops from abroad. we don't have the money to play world police anymore.

    point is, we have to stop the deficit spending.

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    this country honestly needs massive austerity, sucks to say.
    This country needs honest politicians... lots of talk about cutting spending and what not, but then the bills fly with pork everywhere benefiting politician's buddy-buddies... that's why lobbying is a billion dollar business...

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    "In economics, austerity refers to a policy of deficit-cutting by lowering spending often via a reduction in the amount of benefits and public services provided."

    Yeah austerity doesn't have to mean cutting back on public services, I should have been more specific. My proposed budget cuts would come from several areas:

    bring home all the troops and stop paying to police the world.

    cut back defense spending to what's necessary to protect the homefront and R&D. the only spending should be to feed the troops and to develop better weapons. we could do this with about 1/3 the current defense budget.

    cut down needless government programs where peanut counters are finding more creative ways to count peanuts to keep getting govt funds. cut back on all the needless programs and get rid of the TSA. they aren't needed under a government that doesn't use fear mongering to start overseas conflicts.

    reform education: we spend tons of money on education and our schools suck. it's not a spending issue whenever kids dressed in rags in the pakistani mountains with no running water or electricity in their schools outperform our own students. reform education to where we are getting twice the results with half the funds. kids don't need big ass fancy schools and multimillion dollar athletic facilities to learn.

    Last but not least, get rid of all the govt spying agencies that use our tax dollars to create huge data storage warehouses and fusion centers to spy on us. stop spending money to arm the police with tanks and drones. this is all a huge waste of our money.

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    ^ I don't disagree. I'm just stating that you would need honest politicians to pull that through.

    Every law these days that goes through Congress transmogrifies from "perhaps a good idea" to a Frankestein with completely unrelated BS tacked to it.

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    m>s: Right about dem spending cuts...

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    the biggest money saver of all would be to legalize drugs. the prison industrial complex in this country is huge, and far outpaces all other developed nations. millions of people go to prison for petty drug related charges, where they are then educated by the prison system. this in turn creates more criminals and more crime, meaning more spending to police the crime. we spending billions and billions of dollars annually to police something that can't be policed, people are going to do what they want to do. if you choose to put poison in your body, that's your choice. but the insurance companies should also reserve the right to cancel your policy if these substances are determined to be in your system when you go to seek treatment. you know the risks whenever you do dumb .

    this way we stop spending an insane amount of money to house and feed millions of inmates yearly. saves a ton of money in court costs as well. no more DEA, no more highway checkpoints, no more millions of cops out on the streets acting as revenue generators to keep the beast going. In reality, these services add nothing of value to society except for policing, which has diminishing returns past a certain point. find the point where MR = MC and cut it off there.

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    yeah if obama gets reelected and does in the next 4 years what he's done in the first 4 we will see a currency collapse. believe it or not, there actually is a limit to deficit spending before the market rejects that currency and hyperinflation kicks in overnight.
    I read more old cliche conservative nonsense from you than anyone else. Hyperinflation was supposedly a problem 20 years ago. I remember all the rhetoric from the Clinton years.

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    the biggest money saver of all would be to legalize drugs. the prison industrial complex in this country is huge, and far outpaces all other developed nations. millions of people go to prison for petty drug related charges, where they are then educated by the prison system. this in turn creates more criminals and more crime, meaning more spending to police the crime. we spending billions and billions of dollars annually to police something that can't be policed, people are going to do what they want to do. if you choose to put poison in your body, that's your choice. but the insurance companies should also reserve the right to cancel your policy if these substances are determined to be in your system when you go to seek treatment. you know the risks whenever you do dumb .

    this way we stop spending an insane amount of money to house and feed millions of inmates yearly. saves a ton of money in court costs as well. no more DEA, no more highway checkpoints, no more millions of cops out on the streets acting as revenue generators to keep the beast going. In reality, these services add nothing of value to society except for policing, which has diminishing returns past a certain point. find the point where MR = MC and cut it off there.
    You forgot to add getting free healthcare... this is how upside down this thing is... your honest average citizen busts his butt working and can't afford health insurance... crooks land in jail and get it for free...

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    I read more old cliche conservative nonsense from you than anyone else. Hyperinflation was supposedly a problem 20 years ago. I remember all the rhetoric from the Clinton years.
    so you believe currency collapses are just a fairy tale myth and it doesn't happen whenever you run massive out of control deficits?

    Okay. And i'm not only conservative morally, not economically. I don't support the republican party in any form or way, I think they're crooks like the left.

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    so you believe currency collapses are just a fairy tale myth and it doesn't happen whenever you run massive out of control deficits?

    Okay. And i'm not only conservative morally, not economically. I don't support the republican party in any form or way, I think they're crooks like the left.
    Using the model of post Versailles Germany and the various African states that have experienced hyperinflation we have yet to see parallels here.

    Perhaps if I saw some currency palatable to both Western countries and major trading partners then I could see the world market turning away from the dollar. As it is the yen is a thing of the past which used to be used as the scare tactic and the European and Chinese currencies have stagnated or regressed.

    All I see is regurgitation of rhetoric. Defaulting paying the interest because of how ty our legislative system is is the concern.

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    "In economics, austerity refers to a policy of deficit-cutting by lowering spending often via a reduction in the amount of benefits and public services provided."

    Yeah austerity doesn't have to mean cutting back on public services, I should have been more specific. My proposed budget cuts would come from several areas:

    bring home all the troops and stop paying to police the world.

    cut back defense spending to what's necessary to protect the homefront and R&D. the only spending should be to feed the troops and to develop better weapons. we could do this with about 1/3 the current defense budget.

    cut down needless government programs where peanut counters are finding more creative ways to count peanuts to keep getting govt funds. cut back on all the needless programs and get rid of the TSA. they aren't needed under a government that doesn't use fear mongering to start overseas conflicts.

    reform education: we spend tons of money on education and our schools suck. it's not a spending issue whenever kids dressed in rags in the pakistani mountains with no running water or electricity in their schools outperform our own students. reform education to where we are getting twice the results with half the funds. kids don't need big ass fancy schools and multimillion dollar athletic facilities to learn.

    Last but not least, get rid of all the govt spying agencies that use our tax dollars to create huge data storage warehouses and fusion centers to spy on us. stop spending money to arm the police with tanks and drones. this is all a huge waste of our money.
    Defense and NatSec aren't gonna get cut. Even DoD can't stop systems they don't want because Congress refuses.

    Here's a highly effective defense "cut":

    BRAC changes didn't yield projected $35.6B stockpile

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/mil...6B-3706109.php

    There 100s, maybe 1000s, of fantastic public schools with high graduation rates and high rates of college attendees, and 10s of 1000s of acceptable public schools.

    ing about education and Dem-voting unonized teachers is led by Repugs who don't GAF about education, only about destroying a Dem financial base, and privatizing education into for-profit, right-wing/"Christian" indoctrination "schools".

    TX cut $5B from public school budget several years ago, to push TX even lower in the $/pupil ranking. Anybody notice any IMPROVEMENT? Yep, just about as much improvement as delivered by TX tort reform/$250K cap.
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