Che Guevara t-shirts banned from the Olympic park

[ElNono]

Well, I think African-Americans care. Just as the families of the victims of Che Guevara might care.

Well, the 1st amendment is more important than their feelings.

The Equality clause doesn't protect people from racist ideal either.

Sure it does. It prevents such ideal from actually taking place.

I would hope the Equal protection clause would protect people from Che Guevara's actions -- if not his image.

It doesn't. If you think it does, please post the relevant section.

Racism isn't illegal. If it were, there'd be a whole lot more people in jail.

You're confused. What's protected in America is hate speech. Actual discrimination on the basis of race is racism and it's illegal, per the Equality clause.

Are you suggesting a person wearing a t-shirt depicting a Klansman, holding a noose, would not be banned from every public or government venue into which someone tried to wear it?

I don't think he should be. As a matter of fact, a lot of private and public colleges have tried to put limits like that and fared pretty poorly in court (see Doe v. Michigan, Corry v. Stanford, Dambrot v. Central Michigan University, etc)

I would suspect such a ban would be challenged and eventually declared uncons utional.

Apples and apples. Che and the Klan both devalued human life and did unspeakable things in the name of their twisted ideologies. I think those negatively affected by such men deserve sensitivity and I see the UK banning Che shirts as suitable expression of that sensitivity as much as I see similar attempts to squash racist expressions, here in the US, as proper expressions of that same sensitivity.

How you personally feel about it is irrelevant. The law makes a clear distinction, even if you don't.

After all, you don't have the right to attend the Olympics; buying tickets into the venue cons utes a contract between you and the IOC; and, if the IOC is okay with the ban, you either show up without the shirt or break your contract.

I didn't say the UK did anything wrong. I merely pointed out I find it amusing.

[Ginobilly]

This is just going to make those Che-Guevara Tshirts even more popular in Europe, just watch. Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of racist neo-nazi loser teens in Europe start wearing them now even more. Bad move by the Brits.

[Ginobilly]

I didn't know really personally about the life of Che Guevara or what he stood for until a few years ago. I always taught it was a picture of the singer of Rage against the Machine?

[Yonivore]

Well, the 1st amendment is more important than their feelings.

I won't argue. That doesn't absolve us of having some sense of decency, doe s it?

Sure it does. It prevents such ideal from actually taking place.

You can prevent ideals with the law?

It doesn't. If you think it does, please post the relevant section.

Are you suggesting the Equal Protection Clause doesn't protect people from being treated equally under the law, preventing summary executions because you disagree with the political regime in power?

Yeah, the Equal Protection Clause does protect us against the actions of the Che Guevaras and the Kleagle Byrds of the world.

You're confused. What's protected in America is hate speech. Actual discrimination on the basis of race is racism and it's illegal, per the Equality clause.

So, the discrimination is illegal, not the racism. As I suggested, you can be a racist so long as you don't commit any acts that are illegal.

I don't think he should be. As a matter of fact, a lot of private and public colleges have tried to put limits like that and fared pretty poorly in court (see Doe v. Michigan, Corry v. Stanford, Dambrot v. Central Michigan University, etc)

I would suspect such a ban would be challenged and eventually declared uncons utional.

Long after the Olympics are over -- mission accomplished.

How you personally feel about it is irrelevant. The law makes a clear distinction, even if you don't.

The law makes no distinction between the two ideas. Anyone is free to hold those ideas and express them.

I didn't say the UK did anything wrong. I merely pointed out I find it amusing.

And, I merely pointed out the victims of Che Guevara and his ideology probably don't.

[Venti Quattro]

T-shirt commies

[ElNono]

I won't argue. That doesn't absolve us of having some sense of decency, does it?

What different people think is "decent" is a matter of opinion.

You can prevent ideals with the law?

I said the law protects people from certain ideals actually taking place, which effectively greatly diminishes such ideals.

Are you suggesting the Equal Protection Clause doesn't protect people from being treated equally under the law, preventing summary executions because you disagree with the political regime in power?

How many summary executions are made by stamped t-shirts?

Yeah, the Equal Protection Clause does protect us against the actions of the Che Guevaras and the Kleagle Byrds of the world.

Are you going to backup that assertion with actual legal precedent? Third time I ask. I gather you can't.

So, the discrimination is illegal, not the racism. As I suggested, you can be a racist so long as you don't commit any acts that are illegal.

Racism is a broad term, that includes certain legal and illegal acts.

There's nothing illegal about wearing a stamped t-shirt displaying a dead person. In America, at least.

The law makes no distinction between the two ideas. Anyone is free to hold those ideas and express them.

Sure, but racism isn't just an idea. It also encompasses certain clearly illegal actions. There's no such thing with stamped t-shirts. Apples and oranges.

[Jacob1983]