Yep. Unfortunately, that's the case in all such cases. In order for Penn State to truly be punished for their ins utional failure to the child victims of Sandusky, there's going to be some innocent collateral damage.
However, if Penn State acts now, they can mitigate the damage to those innocent student athletes by helping them find other schools to attend. I have no sympathy for the coaches...I have a hard time believing anyone associated with the football program was unaware of some aspect of Sandusky's behavior and you'd have to be an idiot to apply for a coaching job at the university, right now.
I think they have been punished. Sandusky is in jail. Paterno is in Gods hands now. Anyone associated with the cover up is gone. The football program is on life support and will be dead within a year or two because recruiting will be next to impossible. I have not seen anyone wear a penn state shirt since all this broke. You see that logo, it only reminds people of a 10 year old getting raped in the shower by a coach. God bless
As costas said, there's always collateral damage for these types of situations, and the NCAA has a history of punishments that hurt the current coach more than the coach who committed the infractions. Lane Kiffin for example is paying for Pete Carroll's infractions.
And while some of them couldn't have avoided this, I have no sympathy for Jim O'Brien (their new coach) or any of the incoming freshmen. They made their own bed going to a program they knew was involved in a child molestation scandal. If I was a coach or a recruit, that alone would scare me off.
I guess that last post was pointless since Yoni basically said the same thing on the last page.
It's not just about Penn State. The NCAA has to demonstrate, to all universities that deify their football program, they will come down hard when they put program over lives.
And, given the amount of information now being revealed about how pervasive were the rumors of Sandusky's behavior, I doubt all the guilty have been dismissed.
that's the problem with the death penalty, it punishes the wrong people.
Are there 85 scholarships still available in all of the FBS?
I read a good article yesterday, I'll try to find it. The NCAA basically reserves the death penalty for ins utional infractions.
Penn State would be punished for allowing such a climate to exist in their football program...perhaps they'll be more attentive to any such allegations, in the future.
I'll echo Jack in saying, this scandal has been in the headlines for more than a football season -- anyone that signed on to Penn State's football program, after the story broke, make a calculated decision and get's to ride the storm. Maybe it was a risk worth taking but, I don't know of anyone who doubted the NCAA would harshly penalize Penn State if it was discovered Joe Paterno was hiding something.
I agree with you to an extent but the NCAA has been punishing the wrong people for years and they should maintain consistency. They shouldn't randomly start caring about only punishing the people who deserve it, especially in a situation that calls for a more severe punishment than ever before.
You cut off their football revenue and you're punishing the right people.
Found it.
The Death Penalty for Penn State Football
The NCAA has various levels of penalties they can apply to the program, from the loss of scholarships and fines, putting the program on probation, or all the way to the total elimination of the sport. The death penalty is reserved for instances where there is a total "lack of ins utional control." Sometimes you get a rogue coach that gets out of control. They have lesser penalties for that sort of thing, especially when the athletic department themselves step in and ins ute a punishment. Sometimes it is the whole athletic department that is out of control. That's where the university can step in and clean it up, along with the NCAA. Then you have the level where the entire ins ution has lost their way, from top to bottom. That is the case here with Penn State. This is the situation that the death penalty was created for.
If the NCAA applies the death penalty to Penn State football, one of the crown jewels in college sports, it will send a message to every college president that no one is sacred, no one will be spared if your athletics program is out of control. It's a huge understatement to say that allegations like child molestation are serious and are far more important than any game or program. The entire Penn State University administration failed to realize this and now they need to pay the price. I hope the NCAA does the right thing.
this part made me lol b/c it's so true
Strangely enough, Rivals has them currently ranked at #15......one spot ahead of Oklahoma.
7 of the 14 commits are 4 star.
I have no doubt the web of people who knew who and what Sandusky is pervades the ranks of Penn State and Penn State Alumni.
The more I type, the angrier I get.
'em. 'em all. Why would you even want to play at Penn State now?
I wonder if this whole ordeal is brought up when coaches recruit players. It's quite the embarrassment. Like someone already mentioned, I don't know how football will be played this upcoming season, but it certainly shouldn't.
I'm guessing there's thousands of high schoolers in Pennsylvania that have dreamed their whole lives of playing football at Penn St. It's a religion to these folks.
It should be noted that that SMU proposed its self-sanctions on February 6 and the NCAA dealt the death penalty on February 25.
Too much collateral damage doing it in July/August when the season starts September 1. I can see big fines and exclusion from postseason play for this season, then any cancellations to follow that. I'd be surprised if many games were cancelled this season.
Well, then, that's a problem...it's also how people like Sandusky are able to continue victimizing; people put their association with the university over the well-being of those being affected by it.
I honestly think the best thing Penn State could do would be to commit football suicide, bolster the rest of their athletics program, and negotiate a resumption of the football program with the NCAA.
Then, they would have something to hold out to recruits that have dreamed of playing for Penn State their whole lives. Those that had that dream over the next 1-3 years (however long the death penalty lasts) would know, it's not going to happen and to make other plans. Every High School Freshman could know, Penn State will be back when they graduate high school.
As it stands now, high school players are being forced to make decisions when they don't know the eventual outcome.
not so much, imo.
interdasting
By that logic, the NCAA can't punish any program for anything....
i guess this means there's a certain religion that should receive the death penalty.
I don't disagree with what the penalty should be. I'm fine with a total shutdown of the football program for a few years. But to think that they are going have a bunch of kids dreaming to play for them is a pipe dream at this point. It would be hard enough to start convincing any high talent prospects to help start the program over without the pedo situation. But my guess is that there aren't many kids out there who are still dreaming to play football at Penn State. For the foreseeable future, the first thing anyone is going to think when they see a Penn State uniform, jersey, sweatshirt, etc., is Sandusky. My guess is that this is has already irreparably damaged their future recruitment success in any sport.
lifetime bans on coaches who are involved, lifetime bans on A.D.'s who covered-up illegal/immoral acts, vacating of awards/individual les of students who are involved, vacating of les, etc.
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