"You didn't build that!"

[Drachen]

Yeah later on down the road after a recovery I would like to see a reduction in spending and start downsizing the govt, but we can't afford it right now in the midst of this mess. I'd like to cut spending in areas like militarizing the police with drones, and spending tons on big data warehouses and high tech fusion centers so that people over at the NSA can use our tax dollars to spy on us. We waste so much ing money on this bloated government. The pointless needs to go, especially the ing TSA. We don't need our weiners groped and children molested in the name of the terrorist boogeyman, thanks. Just stop arming training and funding them as well as allowing 9/11 to happen and we'll be alright. If our people were competent, 9/11 wouldn't have happened with the measures we already had in place.

I wholeheartedly agree. 100% with this take.

If an 8 year old gets it surely you guys can

:LOL

[mavs>spurs]

Oh and FWIW I would completely support the denial of all future overtime for government employees as a common sense way to save some money. A buddy of mine did an internship at the VA and one of the staff there refused to use a computer (used a typewriter). She ended up taking far far longer to do anything than her coworkers and therefore racked up a lot of overtime so that she could complete her work. She made more from overtime than her base pay annually. This is apparently more common than we would like to think and is exactly the kind of thing you were talking about (M<S) when you said private business is more efficient.

100% true, government employees are some of the laziest, useless s out there. then they end up having to give out overtime to finish the job and gladly so because it's on the public dime. the bank is bottomless for these guys, as opposed to the guy running his own business or who has shareholders to answer to. They have to be productive, they don't have any choice.

[baseline bum]

Truth tbh; dude stole it from Xerox.

[Mr. Peabody]

So, Obama basically says "No man is an island" and the right goes ape . The funny thing is his sentiment is seemingly Christian, right?

[Latarian Milton]

If an 8 year old gets it surely you guys can

im like 11yrs old now tbh, i was 8 when i stole grandma's SUV and that was like 3 years ago

[Drachen]

So, Obama basically says "No man is an island" and the right goes ape . The funny thing is his sentiment is seemingly Christian, right?

They are Simon and Garfunkel fans.

[Yonivore]

Oh you mean the part where he is talking about the infrastructure that business owners take advantage of that they didn't build?

Of what infrastructure do they take advantage?

[Latarian Milton]

That is fine, I am not going to argue how much you have utilized the help/advice of others as well as the business environment built by those before you and the socialist programs like roads and bridges. I really don't care (and I wasn't there to observe), but in this particular speech, to take that quote and make it seem like he said that business owners didn't build their business (as opposed to the infrastructure/systems/etc that he is referring to) is ridiculous.

just because socialism or "national capitalism" had achieved sort of success in some certain countries, it doesn't mean it will crank out the same result anywhere else and the contemporary prosperity may be just a fluke. government has been ill-managed for decades now and you can't fix this once and for all by laying off them lazy asses because if they're laid off, the unskilled s would struggle to survive on their own power and would turn out to be even heavier burdens to the society then they currently are

laziness is one of human's shameful instincts but the employer can always find out ways to make his workers not be lazy, and that's why private businesses are more efficient

and what's your point little immigrant? enunciate it please

[Yonivore]

... the rewards should, in part, go back to finance future infrastructure improvements, etc. for future business owners.

They already do. 40% of tax payers (the largest percentage of which are business owners) pay 95% of all taxes that support infrastructure improvements.

[Drachen]

Of what infrastructure do they take advantage?

Well, I will just go by the speech rather than speculate. He mentions roads, bridges, internet, the american system, GI Bill . . . All things that *WE* built, that the business owner takes advantage of. Yes the BO is a part of these things as well, but the BO cannot do it alone.

Once again:

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.

[Drachen]

just because socialism or "national capitalism" had achieved sort of success in some certain countries, it doesn't mean it will crank out the same result anywhere else and the contemporary prosperity may be just a fluke. government has been ill-managed for decades now and you can't fix this once and for all by laying off them lazy asses because if they're laid off, the unskilled s would struggle to survive on their own power and would turn out to be even heavier burdens to the society then they currently are

laziness is one of human's shameful instincts but the employer can always find out ways to make his workers not be lazy, and that's why private businesses are more efficient

and what's your point little immigrant? enunciate it please

Sup Rogue.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

i know what he said, and i dont agree with it...then again, im a selfish business owner who didnt build my business myself right?

We give plenty back to society...and not only does he WANT more of what we earned, he also doesnt want us to take credit for it.

Acting like business putting in the lionshare is fun I guess.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

just because socialism or "national capitalism" had achieved sort of success in some certain countries, it doesn't mean it will crank out the same result anywhere else and the contemporary prosperity may be just a fluke. government has been ill-managed for decades now and you can't fix this once and for all by laying off them lazy asses because if they're laid off, the unskilled s would struggle to survive on their own power and would turn out to be even heavier burdens to the society then they currently are

laziness is one of human's shameful instincts but the employer can always find out ways to make his workers not be lazy, and that's why private businesses are more efficient

and what's your point little immigrant? enunciate it please

Sure but past success is the best predictor of future success. Certainly more predictive then bull rhetoric and empirically baseless ridicule.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They already do. 40% of tax payers (the largest percentage of which are business owners) pay 95% of all taxes that support infrastructure improvements.

This is horse even if you were to put in all their outlays and commit all of them towards infrastructure it still would not be true.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Of what infrastructure do they take advantage?

What do economy of scale mean?

its like talking to a middle schooler.

[Wild Cobra]

Downsizing can be done over time with no harm. It's called attrition. As people retire or leave a job for some other reason, move people around as needed. Announce future job cuts and offer one time incentives if needed to relocate into another job. Other things along those lines, but otherwise freeze government hiring except for critical positions.

[MannyIsGod]

So, Obama basically says "No man is an island" and the right goes ape . The funny thing is his sentiment is seemingly Christian, right?

Why bother with context anymore? We're a soundbite nation.

When people wonder why we're stuck electing idiots you need look no further than this thread. When people wonder why no politician will actually try to serve a much needed dose of medicine that does not taste well then they need look no further than this thread.

This country is too stupid to bother with context so what it gets is what it deserves.

[Latarian Milton]

Sure but past success is the best predictor of future success. Certainly more predictive then bull rhetoric and empirically baseless ridicule.

how come calling someone what he is becomes kind of ridicule all of a sudden? and is it a wrongful behavior at all to deride someone who hates america, even if he was actually held up to ridicule?

[Yonivore]

So, Obama basically says "No man is an island" and the right goes ape . The funny thing is his sentiment is seemingly Christian, right?

Actually, that's not what he said at all. He said a business's success has less to do with the vision, commitment, and a en of the entrepreneur than with all the help he received to be successful.

Of course, the successful business owner probably invested his entire wealth in starting that business and also probably has more sweat equity invested in it than anyone could imagine.

Everyone else -- all those other people to who the President is referring only helped because of the promise of a return that exceeded the value of their contribution. Investors want a return in dividends and shared profits, employees want a return in wages and benefits, and customers want a value for their dollar.

Investors, employees, and customers don't cause a business to be successful, they gravitate to successful businesses.

So, no, I reject the premise the successful business owner didn't do it himself. He's the only reason the business is successful. If not for him, no investor, no employee, no customer would be attracted to what he's offering.

Obama is an idiot.

[Yonivore]

[Drachen]

Actually, that's not what he said at all. He said a business's success has less to do with the vision, commitment, and a en of the entrepreneur than with all the help he received to be successful.

Of course, the successful business owner probably invested his entire wealth in starting that business and also probably has more sweat equity invested in it than anyone could imagine.

Everyone else -- all those other people to who the President is referring only helped because of the promise of a return that exceeded the value of their contribution. Investors want a return in dividends and shared profits, employees want a return in wages and benefits, and customers want a value for their dollar.

Investors, employees, and customers don't cause a business to be successful, they gravitate to successful businesses.

So, no, I reject the premise the successful business owner didn't do it himself. He's the only reason the business is successful. If not for him, no investor, no employee, no customer would be attracted to what he's offering.

Obama is an idiot.

He didn't mention investors, employees, or customers and as I have posted before (twice) in this thread. His point was
"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.".

Thanks for not reading AGAIN, then commenting like you have any idea what is going on AGAIN!

[mavs>spurs]

what he said was complete nanny state logic and rhetoric. the problem is that whenever "your guy" says it, people will defend it. we need to move past this division they've created and hold all politicians accountable. what obama said was flat out dangerous and un american. some of you will think i'm right wing because i'm constantly attacking obama- no. that just so happens to be because i started posting in the political forum during obama's tenure. i was just as hard if not worse on Bush. the bull needs to stop. How can you guys not see the incoming welfare/nanny state coming? 51% of americans are now dependent on government. that has DOUBLED under obama.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

how come calling someone what he is becomes kind of ridicule all of a sudden? and is it a wrongful behavior at all to deride someone who hates america, even if he was actually held up to ridicule?

Cheesecake is not pie!



I love me some nonsequitors.

[Yonivore]

[mavs>spurs]

check out this to put what i'm saying into perspective

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/a...-all-time-high