It hurts the entire athletic department directly. It hurts the community and businesses indirectly. It hurts the rest of the conference that sells tickets when Penn St comes to town.
If there was some kind of on field advantage that Penn St gained from this, then maybe they deserve some type of punishment handed down from the NCAA.
But this is something that had nothing to do with football itself other than it being a football coach. Let the justice system handle this entire issue in criminal and civil courts, imo.
The B1G is self righteous enough I could see them kicking Penn State out of the conference for this. It would be real tough and have lots of legal issues but the fact is Penn State is a real black eye for lots of ins utions with this.
You know this is going to affect even the alumni.
Anyone that carries a Penn State diploma is going to be associated with this.
I hope the program sends that video with abefore and after picture of Fozzy to every high school between San Diego and Shreveport.
Last edited by billfromlaketravis; 07-18-2012 at 07:12 PM.
should a father that commits a felony not be incarcerated because his innocent child would also be a victim of the punishment? your argument would eliminate having laws and rules b/c this applies to almost any person in prison. they have family/friends/etc that suffer. if curley gets jail time should we release him because his innocent family will be victims.
on field advantage not gained? they covered up children being raped. yes hiding child sodomy gave them an advantage because had they come clean it would have been devastating to the program.
this 100% had to do with football. protecting the image of the football program was deemed more important than protecting dozens of kids that were raped. the whole point of the freeh report was those at penn state at all levels wanted to protect the image of the football program at all costs. i'd suggest reading the freeh report or a summary of it b/c that is the highlighted central point.
http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1385620
"… If you believe in Bennie Wylie and Stacy Searels, then you should be counting down the days to see what this offensive line looks like in the fall. Not enough is being made of the fact that youngsters like Josh Cochran, Dom Espinosa and Sedrick Flowers should be light years ahead of where they were last season on the field."
2014 OT Casey Tucker of Hamilton HS in Chandler, AZ has committed to USC. Texas expressed interest this past spring.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...-Tucker-131376
@BryanDFischer: Cooper Bateman, Brice Ramsey, Tyrone Swoopes looked MUCH better at Elite 11 today then The Opening. Curious to see if Swoopes keeps it up.
The 2012 State 7-on-7 Tourney starts today in College Station. The link shows how the schools are grouped with the bigger schools in Division I and the smaller schools in Division II. There are a ton of great prospects that will be in attendance (assuming that they make the trip):
http://blog.chron.com/prepsports/201...ision-i-pools/
2013
QB, JT Barrett, Wichita Falls Rider **in California for Elite 11 Finals
QB, Kenny Hill, Southlake Carroll
QB, Kohl Stewart, Houston St. Pius X
QB, Cody Thomas, Colleyville Heritage **in California for Elite 11 Finals
RB, Dontre Wilson, DeSoto
WR, Marcell Ateman, Wylie East
WR, Austin Bennett, Manvel
WR, Dylan Cantrell, Whitehouse
WR, Derrick Griffin, Rosenberg Terry
WR, Quan Jones, Wylie East
WR, Kyrion Parker, Manvel
WR, Fred Ross, Tyler John Tyler
TE, Charlie Reid, Fort Worth All Saints
TE, Durham Smythe, Belton
OL/DL, Jake Raulerson, Celina
LB, Travon Blanchard, West Orange-Stark
LB, Deoundrei Davis, Cypress Woods
CB, Tavares Garner, Manvel
CB/S, Maurice Smith, Fort Bend Dulles
S, Colin Janice, West Orange-Stark
ATH, Ty Slanina, East Bernard
ATH, Greg Ward, Tyler John Tyler
2014
RB, Varshaun Nixon, Lake Travis
RB/FB, Daniel Gresham, Fort Worth All Saints
WR, Jakari Dillard, Princeton
WR, Jamal Jeffery, Lufkin
WR, Lorenzo Joe, Abilene Cooper
TE/OL, Koda Martin, Manvel
DE/LB, Hoza Scott, La Porte
LB, Lance Cottrell, Plano West **brother of Bryce
LB, Somari Wright, Cameron Yoe
S, Jamal Adams, Carrollton Hebron
S, Edwin Freeman, Arlington Bowie
S, Nick Orr, DeSoto
S, T'Kevian Rockwell, Wylie
S, Jordan Thomas, Klein Collins
ATH, Kade Clayton, Tyler Grace Community
ATH, Desmon White, DeSoto
ATH, Destri White, Mesquite Horn
2015
QB, Nathan Elliott, Celina
RB, Rodney Anderson, Katy
Last edited by TFloss32; 07-19-2012 at 11:19 AM.
you were the one that said you don't see one negative to giving them the death penalty. I was simply pointing them out.
That said, when a felony is committed, you have to punish the felon to keep him from committing the felony again.
When a school commits recruiting violations, you have to punish the school to keep them from committing future violations.
What exactly does a football punishment have to do with rape?
You're speculating.on field advantage not gained? they covered up children being raped. yes hiding child sodomy gave them an advantage because had they come clean it would have been devastating to the program.
and your speculation doesn't hold much water considering they are currently ranked #15 by rivals.
More speculation on your part.this 100% had to do with football. protecting the image of the football program was deemed more important than protecting dozens of kids that were raped. the whole point of the freeh report was those at penn state at all levels wanted to protect the image of the football program at all costs. i'd suggest reading the freeh report or a summary of it b/c that is the highlighted central point.
And speculation on Freeh's part as well.
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...f-the-decommit
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The Art of the Decommit
By Bryan Curtis on July 19, 2012 12:45 PM ET
Erich Schlegel/Getty ImagesSorry, you’ll have to give me a second here. We Texas Longhorns fans suffered a loss the other day. Not a death or anything. We had a decommit.
Ricky Seals-Jones, a wide receiver from Sealy, Texas, was being recruited by the Longhorns. In February, he said he wanted to be one of us — that is, he committed. In June, he changed his mind. A decommit is a stranger ritual than Mark Appel refusing to sign with the Pirates, or Jeremy Lin taking the offer sheet from Houston. A decommit isn’t about money. It’s not about a salary-cap gimmick. It’s a public unfriending.
Through reading message boards — which is what I’m doing when the Grantland editors can’t find me — I think I’ve discovered the four types of decommits:
The Better-Offer Decommit: The most common by far. A recruit pledges to a so-so program — in academic terms, his safety school. When a bigger fish comes along, the recruit trades up. Remember the name Tavares Garner; we’ll return to him in a second.
The “I Moved” Decommit: A personal favorite, seen lately with linebacker Reuben Foster. When he lived in Georgia, Foster was an Alabama commit. When he moved to attend Auburn High, he switched to — well, guess. The time-honored cliché “I want to stay close to home” may still hold, but it means something totally different.
The Morals-Clause Decommit: Alex Anzalone of Wyomissing, Pennsylvania, was an Ohio State commit. Then he met a registered sex offender who was lurking around the team during his recruiting visit. He told the Buckeyes to get lost. Penn State had a few of these, too.
Finally, there’s Ricky Seals-Jones. That was an “I’m Not Sure” Decommit. “He decommitted so he can go visit some other schools; that’s it,” his father told ESPN. Even though Seals-Jones still lists Texas as his leader, Longhorns fans have had some trouble coping. Seals-Jones said he got death threats on Twitter and that “a couple cars in my neighborhood we didn’t know would drive by [the] house real slow.”
I want Seals-Jones to play for Texas. He’s 6-foot-5 and 220 pounds, and he could be as physically imposing as a wide receiver as Michael Dyer was as a running back. But here’s why I don’t hold his decommit against him. We fans tend to see recruiting as a mano-a-mano game between coaches and recruits. Coach makes an offer to recruit; recruit weighs his options; recruit performs a strange ceremony with hats; and so forth.
Actually, it’s coaches who have most of the power in recruiting. Recruits are signing a contract that, in most cases, only offers them a one-year, unpaid job. Once they get into school, their transfer options are restricted. The decommit is one of the few weapons a player has at hand.
On message boards, a poster may admit that a recruit can decommit, but it’s framed as dishonorable. (He never mentions this if the decommitter is in the process of committing to his school.) For this to make any sense, you have to think of recruiting as an honorable process. I’ve never understood how someone on a message board can charge every coach in the country with paying players under the table, or charge players with hiring street agents — and then grade like Miss Manners when it comes to etiquette. Recruiting is inherently ridiculous, and the decommit might be one of its few rational acts.
Tavares Garner, whom you’ll remember from the Better-Offer Decommit, said the other day, “I’m looking forward to decommitting.” I’m happy for Tavares. Really. Then again, he decommitted from Texas Tech.
Thought this was funny
That's a good read. Hall definitely falls under the "I Moved" category even though it's legit and he wants to be at home in Washington. Really wanted UT to get that kid.
Per 24/7, WR Derrick Griffin transferred to Fort Bend Travis this week. This is the same school that the five-star Harrison twins attend and those three guys already play on the same AAU basketball team. No word yet if the UIL will shoot this down eventually.
I'm sure your opinion is more valued than Freeh report. You win. Now please spare us from reading another post as I'm sure there are a million threads for Penn State you can post on. We all thank you in advance.
You were the one that posted the Penn St link here and nobody twisted your arm to respond to me, dumbass.
if you need a pure longhorn messageboard, I'm sure there are a million you can post on. I can give you a link when you're ready to go.
You're welcome in advance.
Rumors of RB Michael Dyer transferring...again.
http://www.joplinglobe.com/beyondthe...mobRedir=false
This news is about a month old but 2012 LB Brian Nance of Euless Trinity will not be attending Baylor because of grades. Instead he'll be enrolling in Hargrave Military Academy in Virginia.
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/breakin...uirements.html
Paterno statue to be torn down this weekend:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-...10--ncaaf.html
The Baylor Regents have approved the $250 million stadium that the football program wants to build and now the decision goes to Waco City Council:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoot...stadium-072012
OrangeBloods spoke with 2014 DE/LB Hoza Scott at the State 7-on-7 Tourney recently to get an update with his recruitment. He attended an LSU camp this week and said they made an impression but A&M and Texas remain atop his list (in that order). He mentioned simply needing more time with the Texas staff but he did enjoy his time in the film room with Diaz. Interesting that his mother says she would like him to stay close to home but would prefer he attends school outside of Texas (LSU could be a factor because of this). It doesn't mean much right now, but he says he wants to make his commitment after his junior season ends and potentially before Texas holds their Junior Days. Diaz and Applewhite will be the keys for UT.
Even though it's older news, worth mentioning that 2014 S Jamal Adams confirmed to OrangeBloods that he has been approved for an offer by UT. Of all the talented 2014 DBs available, Texas sits in the best position with him.
if i wanted response from a re i would have PM'd you. now shut your ass mouth you little turd-sniveling bung muncher. save it for the little boys you want to butt plug because i won't be reading any of your further posts. life is to short than to spend it wasting my time on pillow biting cornholers like you. now go put on your penn state hat and jack off to some kiddie porn dip .
Hoza Scott
LOL
Scott likes aggsy because aggsy is the first school to talk to him.
After one season of aggsy in the SEC he will see that Texas is the place he can showcase his talent on a national level in the State of Texas and have the opportunity to win games. Aggsy not so much.
Just because aggsy plays in the SEC does not mean aggsy compete in the SEC.
Miami football in more trouble:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--...iolations.html
OK State has offered DT Quincy Russell. I feel like he'll end up at Baylor because of his high school coach but we'll see what happens.
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