Shooting in Batman premiere?

[TE]

I completely agree with you. This isn't the result of guns, or movies, or video games or one individual asshole with an evil agenda. I don't know how anybody could take such a granular view of a tragedy like this.

This is about a huge, hard to define and wholly ed up sense of dread that's coursing through our society. It's a deep-seeded sadness and fear that almost everybody is complicit in. This is a sad place and time for a lot of very scared people. Particularly American people. And I hate when the pressure gets to be too much. That's what causes incidents like this. A cultural sadness so deep and scary that it almost brainwashes and turns an otherwise normal American into someone who just can't take it anymore and who completely loses touch with reality and any shred of respect for human live.

The victims of something like this deserve a much harder look at the root cause than some reductive, stupid, trite, 'this kid is just evil' or 'guns are just evil' or 'movies are just evil' rhetoric and agenda. It's everything and everyone; it's who we are as a people.

Nah ? Every regular person, like the shooter, faces all types of hardships in life. You want to expand the singular feelings that result from depression and extrapolate that to the general part of society as a whole, go ahead. But in no way, shape or form, does this piece of have any right to do something like this. Everyone has problems, it's how people deal with it that separates sane from insane.

[da_suns_fan]

A crazy person can go on a rampage in a kindergarten school and break the necks of children...should we regulate body parts too?

What you dont understand is even if the government bans guns, it will only make things easier for criminals to victimize people because criminals do not obey laws hence why they are called criminals.

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What a ing joke.

So if we ban all guns, it would have been EASIER for this dude to commit mass murder? It would have been easier than just buying semi-automatic guns legally?!!

I dont know man, seemed pretty EASY to me. Dude shot 70 ing people and did have to use the black market or anything.

Likewise, a gun is infinitely easier than your bare hands. I seriously cant believe you wrote stupid .

You are seriously a moron.

[Clipper Nation]

Originally Posted by silverblk mystix
You are making up stuff.

I said there are a lot of reasons and a lot of things are responsible for things like this to happen. Ultimately the killer is responsible. He did it. No one else.

If you dig deeper and see how this killer was put together- you will begin to unravel how he was programmed-as we all were.

Some people take this programming and never hurt anyone. Some people take this programming and hurt others. Ultimately there are a lot of factors involved in a tragedy and the reasons that led to it.

I never placed sole blame on anything.

If you want to do yourself a favor- watch the movie "Rampage."

I kid you not- and as I said in an early post- the first reaction that I and the Mrs. had after watching it is - why?

Why would a director be this irresponsible and make this movie- it is just begging for trouble?

Watch it and see if you don't get a similar feeling. After reading the details of last nights tragedy - this movie came right back to me. It happened just like I thought it would immediately upon watching it.

Was it the movie industry's fault or the director? No.

But it might have played a tiny part in it.


Misrepresent much?

"Played a tiny part in it" is a couched, PC way of saying that the movie industry is partially to blame... YOU are the one misrepresenting here, B, not me.....

[ChumpDumper]

Nah ? Every regular person, like the shooter, faces all types of hardships in life. You want to expand the singular feelings that result from depression and extrapolate that to the general part of society as a whole, go ahead. But no way in shape or form does this piece of have any right to do something like this. Everyone has problems, it's how people deal with it that separates sane from insane.

I'm not prepared to give this guy the benefit of insanity at this point.

[silverblk mystix]

Nah ? Every regular person, like the shooter, faces all types of hardships in life. You want to expand the singular feelings that result from depression and extrapolate that to the general part of society as a whole, go ahead. But no way in shape or form does this piece of have any right to do something like this. Everyone has problems, it's how people deal with it that separates sane from insane.

He never said-that the killer had a right---

Don't jump to a faulty conclusion.

[johnsmith]

I completely agree with you. This isn't the result of guns, or movies, or video games or one individual asshole with an evil agenda. I don't know how anybody could take such a granular view of a tragedy like this.

This is about a huge, hard to define and wholly ed up sense of dread that's coursing through our society. It's a deep-seeded sadness and fear that almost everybody is complicit in. This is a sad place and time for a lot of very scared people. Particularly American people. And I hate when the pressure gets to be too much. That's what causes incidents like this. A cultural sadness so deep and scary that it almost brainwashes and turns an otherwise normal American into someone who just can't take it anymore and who completely loses touch with reality and any shred of respect for human lives.

The victims of something like this deserve a much harder look at the root cause than some reductive, stupid, trite, 'this kid is just evil' or 'guns are just evil' or 'movies are just evil' rhetoric or agenda. It's everything and everyone; it's who we are as a people. Those in this thread who are on the defensive about a particular issue or cause, are an insult to the lives lost. And they're perpetuating the problem even as we speak.

I respectfully disagree. Nearly everyone else in America deals with the stress and sadness that you speak of and moves on with life. They attempt to do the best they can, and for the most part, want to be left alone.

This ing piece of took that from at least 12 people last night. He doesn't deserve to live another minute. He should be executed and we should all move on. For those with friends and families involved, they'll NEVER be able to get over it. this guy, I hope we decide to make every breathe he takes from this point on, painful.

[Clipper Nation]

What a ing joke.

So if we ban all guns, it would have been EASIER for this dude to commit mass murder? It would have been easier than just buying semi-automatic guns legally?!!

I dont know man, seemed pretty EASY to me. Dude shot 70 ing people and did have to use the black market or anything.

Likewise, a gun is infinitely easier than your bare hands. I seriously cant believe you wrote stupid .

You are seriously a moron.

Are you really going to keep dodging my question?

Why should a sane, law-abiding gun owner have to give up their guns?

[da_suns_fan]

Why should a sane, law-abiding gun owner have to give up their guns?

You also assume that all Second Amendment advocates are gun owners..... I choose not to own a gun, but I also realize that it's a cons utional right and that there are valid non-criminal reasons for people to own one....

Because semi-automatic weapons are too lethal to allow to the general public.

Same reason we ban bombs, grenades, missile launchers etc etc.

[VBM]

[johnsmith]

Mass murders, genocide, war, all that has been going on since the beginning of time.

Crazy people do crazy things. It has nothing to do with guns, or video games, or cultural influence. This guy was ing whack, that's all there is to it and he needs to be put down painfully.

[TE]

He never said-that the killer had a right---

Don't jump to a faulty conclusion.

If anyone wants to place partial blame on anything and/or anyone not named the killer, they're wrong, it's that simple.

It really should not ever reach a point that a person is this disturbed to do something like this.

[Clipper Nation]

Because semi-automatic weapons are too lethal to allow to the general public.

But there are plenty of gun owners who have proven themselves to be responsible, follow the rules and regulations, and aren't bat insane mass murderers.... why should they be forced to give up their cons utional right to bear arms? Who are you to tell someone who's done nothing wrong that they can no longer be trusted with their own property?

[TE]

I'm not prepared to give this guy the benefit of insanity at this point.

What label are you prepared to give him then?

[Fpoonsie]

I completely agree with you. This isn't the result of guns, or movies, or video games or one individual asshole with an evil agenda. I don't know how anybody could take such a granular view of a tragedy like this.

This is about a huge, hard to define and wholly ed up sense of dread that's coursing through our society. It's a deep-seeded sadness and fear that almost everybody is complicit in. This is a sad place and time for a lot of very scared people. Particularly American people. And I hate when the pressure gets to be too much. That's what causes incidents like this. A cultural sadness so deep and scary that it almost brainwashes and turns an otherwise normal American into someone who just can't take it anymore and who completely loses touch with reality and any shred of respect for human lives.

The victims of something like this deserve a much harder look at the root cause than some reductive, stupid, trite, 'this kid is just evil' or 'guns are just evil' or 'movies are just evil' rhetoric or agenda. It's everything and everyone; it's who we are as a people. Those in this thread who are on the defensive about a particular issue or cause, are an insult to the lives lost. And they're perpetuating the problem even as we speak.

...it's prolly 'cause of all the meat-eaters, right?

[TE]

I respectfully disagree. Nearly everyone else in America deals with the stress and sadness that you speak of and moves on with life. They attempt to do the best they can, and for the most part, want to be left alone.

This ing piece of took that from at least 12 people last night. He doesn't deserve to live another minute. He should be executed and we should all move on. For those with friends and families involved, they'll NEVER be able to get over it. this guy, I hope we decide to make every breathe he takes from this point on, painful.

This guy gets it

[TE]

For you all engaged in the gun control argument:

It's been confirmed that the shooter owned the guns legally. He purchased them at bass pro shop.

Okay, carry on.

[silverblk mystix]

I completely agree with you. This isn't the result of guns, or movies, or video games or one individual asshole with an evil agenda. I don't know how anybody could take such a granular view of a tragedy like this.

This is about a huge, hard to define and wholly ed up sense of dread that's coursing through our society. It's a deep-seeded sadness and fear that almost everybody is complicit in. This is a sad place and time for a lot of very scared people. Particularly American people. And I hate when the pressure gets to be too much. That's what causes incidents like this. A cultural sadness so deep and scary that it almost brainwashes and turns an otherwise normal American into someone who just can't take it anymore and who completely loses touch with reality and any shred of respect for human lives.

The victims of something like this deserve a much harder look at the root cause than some reductive, stupid, trite, 'this kid is just evil' or 'guns are just evil' or 'movies are just evil' rhetoric or agenda. It's everything and everyone; it's who we are as a people. Those in this thread who are on the defensive about a particular issue or cause, are an insult to the lives lost. And they're perpetuating the problem even as we speak.

Well said and thank you.

I am trying to ignore the inflammatory responses - in part to show respect for the victims. The other part- because it is already played out.

It is the responsibility of everyone- even if you think you are on an island separate from everyone else- you are not.

It is not a matter of relieving the killer of any responsibility- it is about seeing the reality in these things. We are a part of society. We are sharing this space together. We can blame everyone else and wash our hands of any blame- but these things will keep happening.

We can also be a part of changing it- but it is hard work and it will never even get started until people finally say-we aren't going to allow this to continue.

If you think that you and people who do evil are not connected in any way- you are sadly mistaken.

We don't differ in who we are- only in what we do.

[pawe]

What a ing joke.

So if we ban all guns, it would have been EASIER for this dude to commit mass murder? It would have been easier than just buying semi-automatic guns legally?!!

I dont know man, seemed pretty EASY to me. Dude shot 70 ing people and did have to use the black market or anything.

Likewise, a gun is infinitely easier than your bare hands. I seriously cant believe you wrote stupid .

You are seriously a moron.

Dont call me names. Im just having a conversation with you and there's no need for that. Im in AZ too, and if you want, we can meet up and we can fight if you really are that tough.

- People can buy guns at backpage and all they have to do is present their ID. No background checks and you have the gun in 5 mins.
And if you ban guns, do you really really think everyone will give up their guns specially criminals? It will take 2-3 generations to get rid of guns in the USA.

[ChumpDumper]

What label are you prepared to give him then?

I believe I already called him a mother er.

Piece of works too.

Insanity connotes some kind of uncontrollable compulsion. From what little I know, this guy made a clear choice.

[Blake]

Strawman

I'm not making an argument. I'm stating my observation of what you are doing here, dip .

[Clipper Nation]

For you all engaged in the gun control argument:

It's been confirmed that the shooter owned the guns legally. He purchased them at bass pro shop.

Okay, carry on.

Thanks for the info.... Clearly, Colorado needs to closely assess the processes they have in place for gun licensing/ownership so that this can't happen again...

[balli]

Nah ? Every regular person, like the shooter, faces all types of hardships in life. You want to expand the singular feelings that result from depression and extrapolate that to the general part of society as a whole, go ahead. But no way in shape or form does this piece of have any right to do something like this. Everyone has problems, it's how people deal with it that separates sane from insane.

Of course he didn't have a right to do something like this. Of course not. And it's not a question of 'problems'. I'm not talking economic hardship or a bad breakup or something. I'm just saying, there's something deeply mind ing about being an American these days. Particularly a younger American. We've been marketed to and politicized to and pampered and en led and shamed and much more besides for our entire dystopic lives. You're 100% correct- it's how people deal with it that separates the sane from the insane, I totally agree with that. Most of us cope- 99.998% of us cope. We find healthy ways to retain our personhood. And it doesn't make it okay that this kid couldn't do that. His not doing that doesn't give him any justifiable right to have committed this horror. It's fine to be angry and he doesn't deserve, at all, any absolution for this act. Zero. And he'll be tried and judged and punished to a far lesser degree than the damage he inflicted might seem to warrant.

But why a college kid, with every normal background and advantage, walks into a movie theater and starts putting bullets into kids, point blank, isn't answerable by some agenda drenched or reductive answer for how or why something like this happens. It doesn't do any good to reduce the scope of the cause to something far less significant or widespread than what it really is.

[ChumpDumper]

If you think that you and people who do evil are not connected in any way- you are sadly mistaken.

What connection do you share with this piece of ?

[TE]

I believe I already called him a mother er.

Piece of works too.

Insanity connotes some kind of uncontrollable compulsion. From what little I know, this guy made a clear choice.

So someone who murders 12 is not insane because he made a clear choice?

[ChumpDumper]

Of course he didn't have a right to do something like this. Of course not. And it's not a question of 'problems'. I'm talking economic hardship or a bad breakup or something. I'm just saying, there's something deeply mind ing about being an American these days. Particularly a younger American. We've been marketed to and politicized to and pampered and en led and shamed and much more besides for our entire dystopic lives. You're 100% correct- it's how people deal with it that separates the sane from the insane, I totally agree with that. Most of us cope- 99.998% of us cope. We find healthy ways to retain our personhood. And it doesn't make it okay that this kid couldn't do that. His not doing that doesn't give him any justifiable right to have committed this horror. But why a college kid, with every normal background and advantage, walks into a movie theater and starts putting bullets into kids, point blank, isn't answerable by some agenda drenched or reductive answer for how or why something like this happens. It doesn't do any good to reduce the scope of the cause to something far less significant that what it really is.

Sorry, man. People have been killing people like this ever since they figured out they could. Emo is nothing new.