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    out of all developed, civilized nations we lead the pack



    the vast majority of those crimes are committed without a gun too

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    america has the highest violent crime rates and most people imprisoned by far of any other developed nation. many of those crimes involve no gun at all. we've become a sick, ed up society for whatever reason, it's time we looked at ourselves and the way we raise our children rather than trying to find a scapegoat. let's face it, the average american is selfish, immoral s who are too lazy to raise their kids properly. 3 year olds in the theatre what a bunch of bull .
    Sadly, this is a very real statement. Although, it's to be expected that there are idiotic parents that would have their kids out that late for a Batman movie that isn't made for children.

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    Nope. Its not illogical and plenty of other nations have taken the steps to outlaw semi-automatics.
    And it's done nothing to stop gun crimes... in fact, they've increased, and so have knife crimes.......

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    It was this guys fault.


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    america has the highest violent crime rates and most people imprisoned by far of any other developed nation. many of those crimes involve no gun at all. we've become a sick, ed up society for whatever reason, it's time we looked at ourselves and the way we raise our children rather than trying to find a scapegoat. let's face it, the average american is selfish, immoral s who are too lazy to raise their kids properly. 3 year olds in the theatre what a bunch of bull .
    something is going wrong. there's just a lack of respect all the way around. maybe we don't stand up to bullies enough anymore, or look the other way at people who are flagrant assholes. too many people bringing kids into this world that really shouldn't.

    i wouldn't say i'm pro gun rights, but i also don't like the idea of the state having a monopoly on them either. the truth is our society is rotting, has been for awhile.

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    The internet allows people access to the instructions to making bombs.

    Take away the internet.
    Again, its much more difficult for someone to construct a home-made bomb capable of killing 12 and putting 50 others in the hospital (while not blowing yourself up), moving the bomb, detonating the bomb etc than simply driving to Bass Pro shop and putting a couple glocks on a credit card.

    This is why they say bomb makers have a "signature". If they successfully create a bomb, they tend to stick to that exact formula for making the bomb since they didnt blow themselves up the first time and bomb-making is extremely dangerous.

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    People are unpredictable. We take risks like driving even though people are unpredictable, but we dont need to arm the public with mass killing tools when it just takes one guy to go ape- and 70 people who went to go see "Batman" get shot for no apparent reason.
    It also takes just one guy to get nearly blackout drunk, get behind the wheel of a car, and kill a bunch of innocent people.... OMGZ BAN CARS!!!!111one

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    It also takes just one guy to get nearly blackout drunk, get behind the wheel of a car, and kill a bunch of innocent people.... OMGZ BAN CARS!!!!111one

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    Damn, the guy who did it, trip-wired his apt?
    I didn't read that earlier..

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    "A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well digested plan is requisite: And their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories, as tend to render them independent on others, for essential, particularly for military supplies."

    -George Washington
    We are armed.

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    I'd like to stay that way and am appalled by the war against the 2nd amendment.

    This in particular bothers me:

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...ally-supports/

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    out of all developed, civilized nations we lead the pack



    the vast majority of those crimes are committed without a gun too
    Without knowing what types of crime, I'm not sure how relevant the map is. It stands to reason that a country like the U.S. with 1) a large population 2) the most freedom and 3) most goods and wealth (ie: more things/opportunities to steal) will be at the top of that list.

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    no disrespect to the victims, but part of me wonders how much money Batman, and other flicks, will lose from this event? wonder if it will be a watershed moment or people will go about their normal lives.

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    How many times can people make false equivalencies to swords, knives, bombs, cars, swimming pools, the internet etc.

    I'll take my chances against knives and swords. I can always run away. And a packed movie theater full of batman fans would probably be a bad place to try and kill people with knives and swords.

    I'll take my chances against the dreaded bomb-makers. Chances are, the crazy person who wants to kill the masses will probably blow himself up. And even if he doesn't, no one can say that we at least didnt try. Bombs are illegal.

    The analogies to cars, swimming pools, the internet etc is asinine. Yes, a lot of "things" are dangerous, but none of these things were specifically designed to cause mass death.

    As for "they'll just get the guns on black market" argument, at least we know that it would be at least somewhat more difficult to buy these weapons illegally than to simply go to Bass Pro shop.

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    I'd like to stay that way and am appalled by the war against the 2nd amendment.

    This in particular bothers me:

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...ally-supports/
    Ditto. Things are progressing very quickly and somehow this is still under the radar for most of the country.

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    Without knowing what types of crime, I'm not sure how relevant the map is. It stands to reason that a country like the U.S. with 1) a large population 2) the most freedom and 3) most goods and wealth (ie: more things/opportunities to steal) will be at the top of that list.
    well in the wiki link on incarceration it shows that we blow everyone out of the water in incarcerated people per 100,000, so this levels the playing field.

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    He didn't have an assault rifle.

    An assault rifle is an automatic rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.[1] Assault rifles are the standard infantry weapons in most modern armies. Assault rifles are categorized in between light machine guns, which are intended more for sustained automatic fire in a light support role, and submachine guns, which fire a pistol cartridge rather than a rifle cartridge.
    Examples of assault rifles include the StG 44, AK-47,[2] M16 rifle, QBZ-95, Heckler & Koch G36, and Enfield SA80.


    Having an AK look alike doesn't mean you have an assault rifle. What he had was no different technically than a semi-auto deer rifle.
    Oh. It was only a semi automatic rifle.

    smh

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    The analogies to cars, swimming pools, the internet etc is asinine. Yes, a lot of "things" are dangerous, but none of these things were specifically designed to cause mass death.
    Guns aren't designed for murder (because that's ILLEGAL).... they're designed for self-defense....

    As for "they'll just get the guns on black market" argument, at least we know that it would be at least somewhat more difficult to buy these weapons illegally than to simply go to Bass Pro shop.
    And that changes things how? The crazed loons would still plan out these attacks even if guns are banned, because the fact that murder is illegal doesn't stop them.....

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    Oh. It was only a semi automatic rifle.

    smh
    in texas i think you have to go through all kinds of red tape to get an actual fully auto. i think in some states it's just outright banned. although i'm starting to see more and more people with them in response to fears of an Obama gun grab. gun sales keep breaking previous records under obama, it's like more than doubled since he took office last time i looked. people are starting to get loaded for bear.

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    Not that it is particularly relevant to the discussions being had here today in this thread, but when speaking of the downfall of society, I still firmly believe that the internet is the worst thing mankind ever invented as it pertains to ruining the human race.

    I said that the moment I logged on in 1996 on AOL. I was only 16 at the time and even thought it then.

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    Here's my take on it:

    1.We glorify killers in some shape, form or fashion by making them into legends instead of quietly dispensing of them as we should. A person who might have a strong desire to be world famous but doesn't have the talent to get there has the option of going to the other side, infamy. They can kill a bunch of people and it becomes the story of the day, week or whatever, and maybe even a movie will be made about them. So what they end up in prison or dead, they've ensured their name and face will be recorded in the annals of history.

    2. From birth now days children are exposed to the concept that killing others is fun. It's in every movie, in every decent video game, and even their music now is about killing someone, doing a drive by, whatever. They don't learn these things as a fun, temporary escape, but from the time they can comprehend their surroundings they are introduced to violence (even the 3 month old in the theater, for example, with the movie being violent).

    3. The clear line between socially accepted and outcast is getting even wider.

    4. Some people are just ing crazy and need to be put down.

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    Guns aren't designed for murder (because that's ILLEGAL).... they're designed for self-defense....
    Garbage.

    Kevlar is designed for self defense. Helmets are designed for self defense. Shields are designed for self defense.

    Guns are designed to kill.

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    Guns aren't designed for murder (because that's ILLEGAL).... they're designed for self-defense....
    That's a moral judgment. They are designed to kill stuff for whatever reason.

    Not that I necessarily disagree with your general stance.

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    I'd like to stay that way and am appalled by the war against the 2nd amendment.

    This in particular bothers me:

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...ally-supports/
    I'm saying as a people, we are armed.

    GW's quote gets taken out of context quite a bit by the nra hacks.

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