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    That's a moral judgment. They are designed to kill stuff for whatever reason.
    Yet one reason is illegal, while the other is justifiable.....

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    I'd blame the mother first before blaming guns TBH. She knew her son has issues yet still didn't do anything about it.

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    Garbage.

    Kevlar is designed for self defense. Helmets are designed for self defense. Shields are designed for self defense.

    Guns are designed to kill.
    Kevlar, helmets, and shields are designed for protection, not self-defense....

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    in texas i think you have to go through all kinds of red tape to get an actual fully auto. i think in some states it's just outright banned. although i'm starting to see more and more people with them in response to fears of an Obama gun grab. gun sales keep breaking previous records under obama, it's like more than doubled since he took office last time i looked. people are starting to get loaded for bear.
    why does any civilian need a fully auto?

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    Yet one reason is illegal, while the other is justifiable.....
    Doesn't change what guns are designed for.

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    Not that it is particularly relevant to the discussions being had here today in this thread, but when speaking of the downfall of society, I still firmly believe that the internet is the worst thing mankind ever invented as it pertains to ruining the human race.

    I said that the moment I logged on in 1996 on AOL. I was only 16 at the time and even thought it then.
    i see your point but I just see everything as a tradeoff, like equal measures good and bad. with the internet, i've been able to find more info on how certain operations work, how the media likes to twist things, learn more about the political process and corruption etc...and I'm sure the net has hurt with some of my more destructive tendencies as well.

    ultimately it's just a tool, like a gun, and like Uncle Ben says, with great power comes great responsibility. unfortunately, people are turning into irresponsible heads.

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    Again, its much more difficult for someone to construct a home-made bomb capable of killing 12 and putting 50 others in the hospital (while not blowing yourself up), moving the bomb, detonating the bomb etc than simply driving to Bass Pro shop and putting a couple glocks on a credit card.

    This is why they say bomb makers have a "signature". If they successfully create a bomb, they tend to stick to that exact formula for making the bomb since they didnt blow themselves up the first time and bomb-making is extremely dangerous.

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    I'd blame the mother first before blaming guns TBH. She knew her son has issues yet still didn't do anything about it.
    That's tough though as a parent I would think. Here your kid is in school for his PHD and you think he's doing fine and then this.

    Just speculating though, this kid could very well have always been ed up.

    Either way, he needs to be hurt, badly, and then hung.

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    I'm saying as a people, we are armed.

    GW's quote gets taken out of context quite a bit by the nra hacks.
    If you study history, the founding fathers put the gun provision into the bill of rights as a protective measure that we'd never become enslaved ever again. The bill of rights has served us well for this long and now all I see in the media these days is demonization of it.

    stuff like this pops up all the time

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...175957208.html

    in my opinion, the quote isn't taken out of context at all. the founding fathers fully intended for us to be armed to the teeth.

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    out of all developed, civilized nations we lead the pack



    the vast majority of those crimes are committed without a gun too
    This map is mostly pointless without populations included too.

    U.S. population = about 311 million / 11.8 mil crimes = 3.8% crime rate

    U.K. population = about 62 million / 6.5 mil crimes = 10.5% crime rate

    And U.K. has banned guns????

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    i see your point but I just see everything as a tradeoff, like equal measures good and bad. with the internet, i've been able to find more info on how certain operations work, how the media likes to twist things, learn more about the political process and corruption etc...and I'm sure the net has hurt with some of my more destructive tendencies as well.

    ultimately it's just a tool, like a gun, and like Uncle Ben says, with great power comes great responsibility. unfortunately, people are turning into irresponsible heads.
    Absolutely.....but I think when you are speaking of the general masses, particularly in America, there are far more dumb people than there are intelligent people.....

    Having said that, this dude doesn't sound "dumb", so I'm certainly not arguing that the internet made him do it....just an observation on the internet as a whole and how it may or may not effect the mentality of others.

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    why does any civilian need a fully auto?
    for protection against anything and everything. foreign invasion, a corrupted government that needs to go, or an assault by an individual. the founding fathers wanted it this way specifically so that no other group or body would hold us down ever again.

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    Yet one reason is illegal, while the other is justifiable.....
    the reason is to kill.

    I think it sucks that a civilian like Zimmerman killed an unarmed kid and might get off scot free in the guise of self defense.

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    How many times can people make false equivalencies to swords, knives, bombs, cars, swimming pools, the internet etc.

    I'll take my chances against knives and swords. I can always run away. And a packed movie theater full of batman fans would probably be a bad place to try and kill people with knives and swords.

    I'll take my chances against the dreaded bomb-makers. Chances are, the crazy person who wants to kill the masses will probably blow himself up. And even if he doesn't, no one can say that we at least didnt try. Bombs are illegal.

    The analogies to cars, swimming pools, the internet etc is asinine. Yes, a lot of "things" are dangerous, but none of these things were specifically designed to cause mass death.

    As for "they'll just get the guns on black market" argument, at least we know that it would be at least somewhat more difficult to buy these weapons illegally than to simply go to Bass Pro shop.
    Stupid post because there will still be guns even if they were illegal.

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    And U.K. has banned guns????
    banning guns usually leads to more victimization and crime. criminals look for people to victimize, so a gun is definitely a deterrent. it at least makes it harder to find easy pickings. i'm not sure if anyone actually read the chicago tribune link i posted, but it talks about how criminologist studies show time and time again that guns save lives.

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    for protection against anything and everything. foreign invasion, a corrupted government that needs to go, or an assault by an individual. the founding fathers wanted it this way specifically so that no other group or body would hold us down ever again.
    To which well regulated militia do you belong?

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    It's too bad nobody there had a handgun. If I had been there, that wouldn't have been the case (because of something that happened earlier in life where a guy was shot right in front of my eyes at a mall, I carry a .357 at all times) and this crazy mother er would have been dead on sight.

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    To which well regulated militia do you belong?
    Mav Krew. Oh you said "Well regulated"...nvm carry on

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    I wasn't pointing so much at the kids but at how this has been going on for awhile and society in general just doesn't care enough to try and change it or stop it.

    Our kids senses are being assaulted by images/sounds/violence/blood/gore and we just accept it as being normal.

    Parents, game inventors, marketers, everyone involved- is placing money above all else.
    I didn't think you were pointing the blame at the kids.

    My point was that the level of violence in movies/TV/video games is less of a concern when the kid watching them is otherwise well adjusted.

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    It's too bad nobody there had a handgun. If I had been there, that wouldn't have been the case (because of something that happened earlier in life where a guy was shot right in front of my eyes at a mall, I carry a .357 at all times) and this crazy mother er would have been dead on sight.
    It was only a matter of time before Paul Kersey checked in.

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    why does any civilian need a fully auto?
    Bad guys already have their weapons drawn when they assault you or come into your house. He may be alone but usually there's 2 or more. They can have automatic rifles or not. They may be hyped up on drugs. They already planned their attack and is already at full alert while you sleep in your pajamas.

    Homeowners like me are already at a disadvantage, it's nice to have an option on what kind of weapon you can use to protect yourself.

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    Nope. Its not illogical and plenty of other nations have taken the steps to outlaw
    Other countries close to the freedom to own guns as Americans are. You see a lot of deaths if the government decides to go around and take guns from people.

    After all that criminals would still have guns.

    Nice plan.

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    It's too bad nobody there had a handgun. If I had been there, that wouldn't have been the case (because of something that happened earlier in life where a guy was shot right in front of my eyes at a mall, I carry a .357 at all times) and this crazy mother er would have been dead on sight.
    You would have panicked and ran just like the rest.

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    It's too bad nobody there had a handgun. If I had been there, that wouldn't have been the case (because of something that happened earlier in life where a guy was shot right in front of my eyes at a mall, I carry a .357 at all times) and this crazy mother er would have been dead on sight.
    Cool story bro, you should tell it at parties.

    Not saying you can't, but do you think you could take down a shooter with 4 semi automatic weapons, with body armor on, with tear gas in your face, people screaming and panicking everywhere, in the dark?

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    robbery prevented because of an armed citizen. this happened just recently


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