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I don't buy this. There's no way they sign De Colo, who's scheduled to make $1.4M next season, to be inactive. And unless Neal is traded, that is exactly what he'll be.
Buford even said, when he announced that Duncan and Green had re-signed, that "this is not the roster we'll go into the season with". Now maybe that was just his way of saying the Diaw, Mills and De Colo signings were not official . . . or maybe it was his way of hinting at Neal and possibly Blair being traded.
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It sucks for Blair. It also make it even less understandable that SPurs don't go after another big. They got lucky last season with Diaw falling on their lap and this luck might very well not happen again this season.
Might have gone to Germany to have the same treatment Kobe/Oden/ect have done or something similar. Without ACL's he doesn't have as much tissue to prevent bone-on-bone contact so sooner or later its going to take its toll.
Maybe Blair will return to his beastly days with his overseas knee repair?
That wouldn't hurt.....it might get more value in a trade, too.
I buy it, easy. I'm surprised it's that hard.
The paid Splitter 3.4 million his rookie year to rack up DNP-CDs as busted old McDyess, fat Blair, and Bonner-ish Bonner did what they do.
They paid Jackie Butler 2.2 million in the first year of a 2 year deal to play 11 games, knowing that he'd be behind Duncan, Horry, Elson, and Oberto at the least, plus Bonner..
They gave Bonner a three year deal starting at 2.7 over Scola in summer 07 knowing full well that he'd still be behind Duncan, Oberto, Horry, and Elson (and then Thomas). Dude wasn't a legit part of the big man rotation until Horry retired. The Spurs knew that and weren't signing him for the first year, but were signing him for the years after Horry.
Same with De Colo. 1.4 is nothing compared to those deals. It's like 1.5 times the vet minimum. Besides, this is Neal's last year under contract. Same with Manu. Same with Jackson. Patty Mills has an option to leave after the year. Joseph may or may not even have his option picked up.
De Colo getting a year of inactives and DNP-CDs should be expected with or without trades.
Certain cutting edge procedures, like the platelet therapy Kobe had or some stem cell procedures, are still not FDA approved in the US. That's why Americans head out overseas to get them.
Yeah, but they didn't pay him $3.4M to be inactive. And the reality is, him barely playing that season was really the perfect storm. 1) He misses virtually all of training camp/preseason. 2) In his absence, the team goes on to begin what eventually became one of the greatest starts in league history. 3) Pop doesn't view Duncan and Splitter as being able to play together with any degree of regularity. But he wanted to keep McDyess' minutes managed throughout the season and Bonner's one dimensional game from starting. Yet at the same time, both were locks to be in the rotation. So that left Blair as a default starter and Splitter as the odd man out.
With Butler, it wasn't a given he'd be behind Elson and Oberto. It was more of a three man compe ion for playing time. They were hoping one or two would separate themselves, which is exactly what happened when Butler proved he wasn't an NBA player.
Like Splitter, Bonner was not going to be inactive. Plus, he was being groomed as Horry's eventual successor and in an effort to keep Horry's minutes managed throughout the season, it was obvious he'd get some meaningful minutes.
I agree about De Colo getting plenty of DNP-CD's. I always thought he'd be the fifth guard (with an outside chance to overtake Mills), but inactive? He'd have signed on for this, why? It doesn't make sense. And not only that, but Neal is no longer a fit. Even if all they can get is a relatively high 2nd or a project big for him, I'll take that over him leaving for nothing in a year, particularly because I don't see a roll for him in the interim.
Last edited by TD 21; 07-23-2012 at 06:19 PM.
the doktor is Dr. Peter Wehling in Duesseldorf and yes, he invented some treatments that are not (yet?) allowed in the USA.
Alex Rodriguez got his treatment as well. so did pope Johannes Paul II.
(not the drugs. but who knows. Wehling is linked to some other doktors with questionable reputations, like Dr. Chris Renna, who has a connection to Victor Conte and Balco)
It is strange to see the FO so vocal and on the same united page about the front court and how they think it is fine.
Butler wasn't given a chance to compete for a job and was never going to. Part of the whole rationale for signing Butler was to have a young big with potential to 'groom' in the background, as opposed to Javtokas who was maxed out as a player and couldn't improve in the background.
And regarding Pop's/ST's excuses for not playing Splitter or what happened with Bonner in 08, the point remains: Their salaries had zero impact on whether they would play. It didn't matter that they were getting double or more than double than De Colo, it didn't mean that they would play, ever. Or be active, ever.
As to why De Colo would sign if he didn't know for sure he'd be active?
To be in the NBA.
De Colo wants to be in the NBA. His old backcourt teammate and friend Beaubois has been in the league for three years already.
The NBA is important to De Colo, and this was his chance to start his career. For more than the NBA minimum. Without having to pay out of pocket to cover buyout expenses beyond what the Spurs could contribute. He also, like most athletes, is likely supremely confident in his abilities and thinks that if he shows up and outperforms the others, he'll get minutes (not really true under Pop, but whatevs).
I'm not saying they shouldn't trade Neal; I'm fine if they trade him and Blair while they're at it. I just won't be shocked if we get to Christmas Day games and Neal is still on the roster, dressed to play and De Colo is in a suit behind the bench. And to have that still be the case when the playoffs roll around.
Not to mention that
POP HAS BEEN SAYING THIS FOR AT LEAST A WEEK
its true. i also heard he went to Germany for treatment because his knees are in bad shape.
Which beastly days were those?
Elson and Oberto weren't exactly the second coming of Robinson and Duncan. I realize both were projected to be ahead of Butler, but if Butler had shown anything, he'd have had a shot at playing time.
I'm not making excuses for why Splitter didn't play much, I'm just explaining why he didn't. I'm also not saying I'd be surprised if De Colo were a non rotation player (in fact, I alluded to not expecting him to be a rotation player). What I'm saying is, I'd be very surprised if he were inactive. In some cases, that may come off as mere semantics, but in this case, there's a big difference.
If Neal is kept, De Colo is sixth on the depth chart at guard, with no chance of moving up. If Neal is traded, he's fifth, but he'd have an outside shot at moving up to fourth. Reason being: It's damn near impossible for Mills to falter enough for them to deactivate him playing a role as minimal as fifth guard. But there's the possibility he could falter enough as the primary backup point that they drop him from the rotation.
As far as the rest of this, you actually make some decent points, but I'd still be very surprised if this actually comes to fruition. I know they've shown time and time again that they don't really care about roster balance, but going with 7 guards, when they only have 2 centers and 2 and a half small forwards, is beyond stupid.
I think there are still a lot of variables in the guard rotation. Mills vs. CoJo. Nando vs. Neal. I expect Nando and CoJo to get less time because the other players have put in more time already. But as far as how these players roles are imagined, I think that's still open. Is Neal back to a SG, or is he now the 3rd (or 4th) string PG, or both? Is Nando only a SG or will he play some backup PG as well? Will Manu even play the first month of the season?
I expect Pop to make the guard rotation as clear as mud for the whole season because basically he likes to dilly around with possibilities (all the while never really playing the less inexperienced players at the same time).
They seem high on Nando so it's possible he gets some time, but because the fans would probably want to see him play, I expect him not to play.
From what it sounds like, the treatment blocks inflammation receptors so that the injured area does not swell or cause increased pain. There is no mention of any repair.
For someone like an athlete I tend to think the consequences of the treatment can be worse than for a normal person because if there is no inflammation or major pain the athlete may not know when to give the injured area a rest and they may push it beyond its breaking point. Of course they would have to push themselves very hard but their original injuries are usually from some form of hard play.
Imagine T.J. Ford getting the treatment, his spinal pain (I assume he has some) may go away but would he really want to risk continuing to play basketball? I guess we will see how the treatment works out in a few years.
I was hoping the treatment was more of an injection of soft material that may act as cushion between the joints.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/pro-ath...6#.UA42L6OX98F
Not really surprising, im hoping we will pick up a big man at the deadline.
So when all is said and done: The rumor is that there is no rumor...very interesting that it created a 3 page thread. Is this the Spurs Talk version of Seinfeld?
I know the FDA was working on getting some treatments approved. It just takes time here in the US to go through trials, etc, and professional athletes sometimes don't have that much time to wait.
Another American that went to Europe for a cancer treatment not yet approved in the US was the Steve Jobs.
Good points. But sometimes the inflammatory response creates part of the damage. Hard to say without knowing more details about each players' injuries.
it is the offseason...
That is stupid thing to say that he will be getting DNP-CD - Come on man that is what training camp is for if the guy shows he can play then he will get minutes if he doesn't he won't. Pop is going to tell him if he plays well he will earn minutes if he doesn't then don't expect a lot of minutes.
Please, if Tiago Splitter gets DNP-CDs behind a terrible non-Duncan big man rotation even though he was productive when allowed to play, then why would De Colo somehow get minutes behind a relatively stacked backcourt?
How well a player plays doesn't often factor in to the minutes they get, for Pop or any other coach for that matter. Whether it's Tiago or Hairston or Mahinmi, or "these playoffs aren't for George Hill", it's say one thing and do another. It could be Avery Bradley in Boston, where Doc refused to play him until the injuries forced him to. It could be Eric Bledsoe for the Clippers where Del Negro refused to play him while the Spurs were jamming a 24 point run down their throat even though Bledsoe was one of their best playoff performers. The Rockets cut Jeremy Lin not because Jonny Flynn outplayed him in camp, but because Flynn had his year guaranteed and Lin didn't. Reputation and respect matter just as much if not more than actual on court production.
I hope De Colo plays, I like watching his style of play a lot more than Danny Green's or Gary Neal's. Green probably is better for the team, but you get the point, I'm a De Colo fan and am glad he's a Spur.
The point is that after so many years of seeing performance have zero bearing on the minutes a player gets until it's almost too late to matter, why are Spurs fans still so surprised when it happens (like Hill or Splitter or their opposites, Bonner and Jefferson)? And that's if he plays well. He might not.
Usually the whole, "Spurs players aren't good until their second year in the system" is no more than a garbage excuse gobbled up by Spurs fans. But who knows, it could be true for once with De Colo in a significant way.
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