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Actually, after thinking it over, this is WORSE than what SMU got.... Penn State has to trot out a putrid s of a team and get whooped weekly probably for the rest of their existence, tbh....
This.
With the FBS moving towards a playoff system and possible superconferences; this whole thing will cripple the Penn St. program for a decade plus. Maybe then people will start to forget a little but I highly doubt it. Nowadays, it is all about exposure. The recruiting of players is heavily reliant on public perception of your program more so than when the Twitter/Facebook/Internet Age. This travesty will defintely have an effect on that.
Actually, after thinking it over, this is WORSE than what SMU got.... Penn State has to trot out a putrid s of a team and get whooped weekly probably for the rest of their existence, tbh....
The thing with SMU is they got the death penalty after countless previous sanctions, and in these situations repeat offenders always get dealt with more punitively. You can bet that if Penn State lets an assistant coach turn the locker into a sex dungeon again, they'll get the death penalty
at least Penn St still gets to trot out a team and share Big 10 money.
What if this whole Sandusky incident happened at a ty football school like Vanderbilt? Would they be given the same punishment?
If so, then how exactly would such a punishment dissaude future criminal cover-ups for schools that never win much any way?
Last edited by Blake; 07-23-2012 at 07:35 PM.
Big 10 won't be sharing any money for the next 4 yrs...
They have to donate their share of the B1G money to charity, B.....
K, I see they have to give up B1G bowl money on top of the $60 million.
I don't see anything about giving up their share of TV money.
In fact, I don't see anything about not being allowed on TV, the way they did U Houston in the 90s.
don't quite get the "wins and records being vacated" part
Sandusky having sex with kids = cheating? unfair compe ive advantage?
you could ask that question about any of the penalties the NCAA handed down.
most of the sanctions give current and future kids the chance to go elsewhere, and are just punishing Penn State.
that one "takes away" what former players accomplished
I'm pretty sure the NCAA doesn't give those out anymore because it's unfair to the opponents....
Sandusky's acts didn't cons ute an unfair advantage, but the coverup certainly did.... they were able to get top recruits for over a decade by selling a lie to them and covering for Sandusky.... that means more wins they otherwise wouldn't likely have won, tbh....
Also, vacating wins also further symbolizes that JoePa's legacy was nothing but bull that isn't worthy of celebration, tbh.....
It takes away from what Paterno accomplished. The rest is the usual collateral damage.
just another reason why this is not worse than the death penalty.
really? you really think covering for Sandusky made the football team better?
Yes, actually.... no way would top recruits have ever picked Penn State if they were told about Sandusky.... better recruits means more wins, more wins means more bowl games, more bowl games mean more $$$, more $$$ means better recruits....
It is pretty safe to say they'll never recover from this.
Better to shut it all down imo.
Well it is a half truth. If Sandusky was busted in 2001 when McQuerry first walked in oh him and had all of this negative attention it might have affected recruiting.
I guess we'll never know if it would have affected the recruiting for them since the powers that be at PSU decided to turn their heads instead of delaying the inevitable.
This is basically how I feel about the whole thing:
(start at 2:40, it's kind of long but he makes many great points)
and Barry Switzer's opinion:
http://www.yahoosportsradio.com/nfl/...e-wrong-29728/
PSU deserves to be punished, but that's why we have a court system. The biggest concern for me is that they're penalizing everyone except those at fault in this whole scandal.
Sandusky
Spanier
Curley
Schultz
Paterno
Those 5 men are the entire scandal, and they're unaffected by the NCAA's sanctions. Paterno is dead, Sandusky is locked for 400 years/life, the others are on their way in the legal system. The penalties are affecting tons of Penn State athletes, none of which had a single thing to do with this entire thing. Not even just PSU football players, it affects the whole athletic department. Athletes in other sports can lose scholarships and funding for their whole programs. Centre County, where PSU is, is the poorest in the state and this will probably affect the local economy.
It just doesn't make sense to me. The university should give a lot of money to the Sandusky victims, but I don't get the point in ruining an entire athletic department and football program that brings tons of money to the area and state. If you were a rising junior or senior playing football at PSU, your chances of making a living off your football talent could have just been taken away. Transfer to another school, have fun starting from scratch, learning a new play book, playing from behind in the pecking order, while your last season wastes away and you don't get drafted and end up having a career. Over something that no football players were a part of.
Found this interesting on wikipedia, about Sandusky:
And I can't decide who I think is more ed up, Sandusky or his wife who supported her husband who is clearly a child rapist, even while their adopted son claimed to have been molested by Sandusky. LMAO, how is one ok with their spouse cheating...tons of times...with children of the same sex? That's about as ed up as it gets.His classmates have described him as a studious "loner" who "never dated in high school" but was a popular and handsome athlete.
If this were just a criminal issue, that didn't involve a department-wide cover-up of over a decade to protect the football program's reputation and keep the recruits, wins and money rolling in, I'd agree with you.... but since it's both a criminal AND football issue, the NCAA had to step in on the football side of things, tbh.... understand that they couldn't just sit there and do nothing about Penn State and then hammer Miami for lesser violations, B....
I could care less about the Paterno and PSU wins, but I don't agree with punishing many athletes, from all sports, for something they had no control or knowledge of while it occurred. Courts could hammer the university without destroying the football program. The NCAA took this opportunity to appear powerful, relevant, and act like they're actually doing something to change the culture of college football. They probably helped to create college football into what it is.
The NCAA takes away tons of scholarships, there goes free educations for a lot of athletes..especially at a school where football players have very high graduation rates relative to the national averages, from similar large football schools. Some players can choose to transfer, but the other universities don't have more scholarships to offer them. They're effectively ing over a bunch of student athletes. Meanwhile, the real culprits are untouched by this.
I'm just bothered with who is giving these penalties, Mark Emmert, summarized below by the guy in the youtube video I posted:
and who the spotlight is on:Take a step back from the hysteria and just think about what took place: Penn State committed no violations of any NCAA bylaws. There were no secret payments to “student-athletes,” no cheating on tests, no improper phone calls, no using cream cheese instead of butter on a recruit’s bagel, or any of the Byzantine minutiae that fills the time-sheets that justify Mark Emmert’s $1.6 million salary.
What Penn State did was commit horrific violations of criminal and civil laws, and it should pay every possible price for shielding Sandusky, the child rapist. This is why we have a society with civil and criminal courts. Instead, we have Mark Emmert inserting himself in a criminal matter and acting as judge, jury and executioner, in the style of NFL commissioner Roger Goodell. As much as I can’t stand Goodell’s authoritarian, undemocratic methods, the NFL is a private corporation and his method of punishment was collectively bargained with the NFL Players Association. Emmert, heading up the so-called nonprofit NCAA, is intervening with his own personal judgment and cutting the budget of a public university. He has no right, and every school under the au es of the NCAA should be terrified that he believes he does.
Speaking anonymously to ESPN, a former prominent NCAA official said, “This is unique and this kind of power has never been tested or tried. It’s unprecedented to have this extensive power. This has nothing to do with the purpose of the infractions process. Nevertheless, somehow [the NCAA president and executive board] have taken it on themselves to be a commissioner and to penalize a school for improper conduct.”
Paterno is dead. Sandusky is ed. But the popular thing to do is rag on everything Penn State Football. No one is talking about Tom Corbett and the Board of Trustees...most of whom all have their positions.The discussion we should be having is how to organize the outrage of the Penn State campus and the people of Pennsylvania to expel the entire Board of Trustees. Just as the statue of Coach Paterno came tumbling down in the name of turning the page at Penn State, the board should follow. We should be talking about how to push for a full investigation of Governor Tom Corbett and his own extra-slow-motion investigation of Sandusky when he was the state’s attorney general. Former Governor Ed Rendell, as a board trustee during Sandusky’s continued presence on campus, should be subpoenaed as well. But instead, we get the maiming of Penn State’s athletic budget for the grand purpose of turning Mark Emmert and the NCAA into something they have no legal right to be. Private, unaccountable actors have no business cutting the budgets of a public campus. Today’s move by Emmert didn’t bring justice to any of Sandusky’s victims. It didn’t help clean house at Penn State. Instead it was extra-legal, extrajudicial and stinks to high heaven.
Sure, donate millions of the fines to child abuse awareness, but they should give a lot of that fine $$$ to the Sandusky victims. Obviously, that's the job of the courts, I just don't know why the NCAA has all this power. They can basically do w/e the they want.
Anyway...it's safe to say I graduated at the right time
If SMU didn't deserve the death penalty, then no point in even having it.
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