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Was that an answer?
Are you saying you hope the automatic weapon ban should stay in place NOT because you fear for public safety but because it would de-value the price of your personal firearms?!!
Cant make this up!
I just saw that. Your response:
Thank you for answering the question and being a man.Yes they should.... it should be up to the states to decide, not the federal government...
I personally think allowing each state to decide what is legal with regards to fully automatic weapons is asinine, but you are en led to your opinion.
Was that an answer?
Are you saying you hope the automatic weapon ban should stay in place NOT because you fear for public safety but because it would de-value the price of your personal firearms?!!
Cant make this up!
You're so fired up mad that you just skip over posts.
Typical ty takes liberal.
I should charge you for the education I've provided.
That isn't asinine, it's how the Founders intended our government to work, in order to prevent tyranny....
What's really asinine is assuming that a group of aloof, corrupt politicians in Washington know what's best for all 50 states on state issues, when they have proven over and over again that they don't have a clue, tbh....
How many people are killed annually in the US by registered NFA weapons?Was that an answer?
Are you saying you hope the automatic weapon ban should stay in place NOT because you fear for public safety but because it would de-value the price of your personal firearms?!!
Cant make this up!
Tick tick tick...
What does it take to make a 700 dollar AR-15 into a fully automatic rifle?
Answer: a sear
What is a sear?
Hint: nothing to do with Roebuck.
DMC with the regulation
Youre a dumbass if you ever think I even implied that.
I dont care about your "states rights" fluff. Youve jumped form cons utionality to state rights to whether or not federal bans even work.
Youve stated your opinion. You think automatic weapons should be regulated at the state level. Congratulations, youre an idiot.
Your shtick has jumped the shark.
Move on got.
da suns got out Googling to find out I am correct but will say "nuh uh... you need a trigger group as well" as if trigger groups are registered.
These things are all related, tbh... and by the way, state's rights falls under cons utionality thanks to the Tenth Amendment.... further compounding the issue of the federal government usurping state's rights is that they've ed up royally when they've done the same thing with alcohol and drugs, so why would guns be any different?
You think the federal government can handle a full-fledged draconian gun ban despite Prohibition and the War on Drugs being complete and utter disasters.... congratulations, you're an idiot...Youve stated your opinion. You think automatic weapons should be regulated at the state level. Congratulations, youre an idiot.
You educated me on what? That you want to keep that automatic weapons ban in place? Me too!
Why did you take so many posts to say so? Were in agreement!
I want to keep the ban as well. In fact, I want to extend the same ban to semi-automatics and assault rifles.
Think Holmes could have bought a semi and an assault rifle if they cost as much as current automatics?
I think I made a decent one that you guys have sort of ignored, about how the gun laws in the US seem to influence the number of homicides annually. I want to know what you guys make of the statistics, so I'll re-post:
I think these numbers are too significant to ignore, and I'm not just using the numbers I've shown in that post for my argument. There are other countries that have similar, sometimes higher, homicide by firearm rates than the US, but they're mainly poor countries, modern day wild west situations.
The fact that pretty much no countries near the development of the US have homicide rates remotely close to the US, and that homicide by firearms accounts for the majority of homicide in the US, shows it's a problem.
Hows that "draconian" ban on automatic weapons going?
Is that a failure?
Ask DMC how much his antique automatics cost.
Yo DMC, care to enlighten us?
I've already addressed that by saying that the states should look at their standards and figure out how best to decrease gun-related homicides, tbh...... federal intervention certainly wouldn't stop that any more than it's stopped drug use or alcohol consumption, though....
Not too well, since people can still purchase and own them, tbh....
if i had access to databases with scholarly journals, i'd show you guys where Dr. Gary Kleck's work put this issue to rest a long time ago. He is the reason why the laws are the way they are today. He showed conclusively that civilian gun ownership saves more lives and deters more crimes than those who die by gun violence. His finding (which has been backed up by others) was that guns save lives and deter crime.
You're confusing cause and correlation when saying that "well, since the US homicide rate is so high, and the US has guns, guns must cause more homicides!" But that is a false assumption and isn't backed by the studies by most criminologists. The fact is, the US leads the world in all kinds of crime, including those that don't involve the use of a firearm. We are ESPECIALLY high in crimes against children and sexual crimes. We are a sick, disturbed society compared to most modernized nations as far as that goes. It's time we took a look in the mirror instead of finding a scapegoat.
Bro, you believe automatic weapons should be regulated at state level, we got it.
Then why arent the mass murderers buying them?Not too well, since people can still purchase and own them, tbh....
Game. Set. Match.
Hunting Rifles and Pistols are fine.
Theres no ing reason to have a semi or full though.
Pretty sure I addressed this.
There are other factors you are not accounting for, like cultural and geographical differences. Those other nations do not have the same problems the US has with drug trafficking and gang violence.
Japan has less than 1/3 the homicide rates that Australia has. Why? When you figure that out, extrapolate to the US and you might find an answer that's not related to guns.
Hunting rifles are semi. Same with handguns. A revolver is the same as a semi, one pull one shot, it just has a smaller capacity.
You've obviously never fired a fully automatic weapon. You can do more damage with a semi-auto than with a full auto. Full auto is for laying down suppressive fire, and unless your mass murder is going through the jungle and needs to cover his track or appear to be a bigger force than he is, he's going to stick to semi, even if he paid more for a full. Ammo runs out fast at 600 rounds per minute.
This is why even in urban settings most tactical units use a 3 round burst at most. Beyond that you're walking away from your target and endangering others.
Larger light machine guns that can be stabilized can enable you to put a lot of lead downrange in a short time, and even then it's about odds of hitting. That's why snipers do more damage than LMGs in those situations.
I love how you went from "youve obviously never fired a weapon" to "youve obviously never fired a fully automatic weapon".
Sucks getting your ass handed to you, huh?
In this case, youre actually RIGHT! I have never fired a fully automatic weapon (nor do I want to).
However, I dont agree with your narrative that homicidal mass murderers ALWAYS decide to go semi vs fully automatic because semis are more effective (unless your in the jungle, according to you).
I believe its PROBABLY because the fully automatics cost 30 times as much (due to regulation), are much harder to purchase and are guaranteed to be at least 26 years old.
But whatever. If you want to believe that choice in weapon was due to tactical decisions, thats your opinion.
That should be no problem, right? Does DMC or anyone have a problem against that if that did happen?Since Friday's shooting, Democratic Sen. Frank Lautenberg has voiced a desire to put forth gun control legislation.
"Our hearts are still heavy with sadness after the tragedy in Colorado, but we need to start today on efforts to prevent the next attack," Lautenberg said in a statement Sunday. "We should begin by passing my legislation to ban the sale of high-capacity gun magazines."
Good question.
ClippersNation will answer: Its a states right to decide!
DMC will answer a non-answer: Magazine size doesnt matter.....magazine size is the same as the size of your swimming pool.
You've done neither, but you've certainly never fired one in full auto if you think full auto weapons are more dangerous than semi auto weapons.
I love how you went from "youve obviously never fired a weapon" to "youve obviously never fired a fully automatic weapon".
The Brady Bill, for example, banned evil features on guns, like forearm grips, bayonet lugs, all that eerie you see in video games that make guns EVIL.
It was done as a placebo for ignorant s like you.
Write an essay and talk about it.Sucks getting your ass handed to you, huh?
I am always right. Get used to it.In this case, youre actually RIGHT! I have never fired a fully automatic weapon (nor do I want to).
Homicidal mass murderers? Is that like super wet water or darkness with no light?However, I dont agree with your narrative that homicidal mass murderers ALWAYS decide to go semi vs fully automatic because semis are more effective (unless your in the jungle, according to you).
Dude spent 20K on . He could have had 2 fully auto Uzis and he took the time required to be cleared for them. He didn't want them. He wanted what he got. If people wanted to use a full auto to go on a mass murdering spree, why hasn't anyone done so? It's easy to make an AR-15 into a fully automatic rifle.
I "shot that down" already. They only cost more if you get them legally anyhow. They can be easily altered, and anyone who takes the time to booby trap an apartment with the that guy had would have no problem inserting a sear pin and updating the trigger group.I believe its PROBABLY because the fully automatics cost 30 times as much (due to regulation), are much harder to purchase and are guaranteed to be at least 26 years old.
Dude with tactical gear, bullet proofing, tear gas, mask and all that , cannot alter a gun? Doubt it. He's more versed in the effects of the weapon than are you.But whatever. If you want to believe that choice in weapon was due to tactical decisions, thats your opinion.
Remember the dudes who used fully automatic AKs to rob that bank? How many people did they kill when they came out blazing? None, they shot one guy in the leg. Both were killed, not by an automatic, but one by a sniper with a 308 and the other by a semi auto picked up in a nearby shop.
Oh they made a mess, lots of noise, kept people at bay, but they died. Meanwhile a guy in San Marcos Texas killed 2 or 3 officers with a hunting rifle because he aimed and shot, and he had the element of surprise.
Again, you are using stupid ass cookie cutter arguments that are easily defeated because they don't contain any semblance of understanding of reality. Like Flake, err... Blake, your arguments are filled with emotive jargon, presumptions and hyperbole.
I might as well be arguing with an 8th grader.
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