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    Top Clinton Aide Threatened After Bachmann Allegations

    The New York Post reports Sunday that Huma Abedin, a top aide to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, was placed under security by authorities after an “unspecified threat.” The source of the threat is not clear — he was “described as a Muslim man” — but the Post linked the incident to widely-repudiated allegations made by Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) tying Abedin to the Muslim Brotherhood and suggesting her nefarious influence on the U.S. government. New York police and the State Department reportedly questioned the man, who was not charged, according to the Post.

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    Tea Party Congressman Calls McCain ‘Numb Nuts’ For Criticizing Bachmann’s Anti-Muslim Witch Hunt

    GOHMERT: Well, it’s obvious that John McCain didn’t even read the letter because of what he said in accusing Michele and us of making these horrible accusations. There were five letters and there were many things that are stated that are facts in each letter. And I wish some of these numb nuts would go out and read the letter before they make these horrible allegations about the horrible accusations we’re making. But we also know that John McCain himself had said back in the early stages of stuff going on in Egypt that he was, in his words, “unalterably opposed to helping the Muslim Brotherhood.” Well, obviously the unalterable person has been altered, so he is okay with it now.

    http://thinkprogress.org/security/20...im-witch-hunt/

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    Joe McCarthy is not a good examply to try to make someone look bad with. He was given a bum rap. He wasn't the one out there looking for communists in the general public. He was only looking to get rid on the communist spys in our government, and he did uncover several.

    Project Venona proves he was right, but it wasn't unclassified until sometime in the 90's.
    really?

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    Yes.

    Really.

    There were three government committees looking into communism at the time. It was the House Committee (House of representatives) that went after innocent citizens. McCarthy was in the senate, and was only looking for communist plants and spies within the government.

    McCarthy was publicly vocal, so all the rest of the crap was laid at his feet.

    Maybe you should do some research on Project Venona, and cross reference it to McCarthy's claims. Save yourself the embarrassment of looking ignorant.

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    Yes.

    Really.

    There were three government committees looking into communism at the time. It was the House Committee (House of representatives) that went after innocent citizens. McCarthy was in the senate, and was only looking for communist plants and spies within the government.

    McCarthy was publicly vocal, so all the rest of the crap was laid at his feet.

    Maybe you should do some research on Project Venona, and cross reference it to McCarthy's claims. Save yourself the embarrassment of looking ignorant.
    Among the most knowledgeable experts on the Venona project is Harvey Klehr, a professor of politics and history at Emory University. Prof. Klehr traveled in 1992 to the former Soviet Union, where he got access to Soviet spy archives. He also studied the Venona cables after the U.S. government declassified them in the 1990s. With John Earl Haynes, Prof. Klehr co-authored Venona: Decoding Soviet Espionage in America, published in 1999 by Yale University.

    In short, when it comes to Soviet espionage in America, the Venona project and Joseph McCarthy, Prof. Klehr has the credentials to show that he knows what he’s talking about. In fact, he is very critical of those who still deny the extent of that espionage or downplay its significance.

    But he isn’t buying efforts to rehabilitate McCarthy’s image. Prof. Klehr told an audience at a 2005 conference that McCarthy may have been right about “some of the larger issues” — such as, that there actually were communist spies in America — but that he was recklessly wrong on much else, especially the details:

    [V]irtually none of the people that McCarthy claimed or alleged were Soviet agents turn up in Venona. He did identify a few small fry who we now know were spies but only a few. And there is little evidence that those he fingered were among the unidentified spies of Venona. Many of his claims were wildly inaccurate; his charges filled with errors of fact, misjudgments of organizations and innuendoes disguised as evidence. He failed to recognize or understand the differences among genuine liberals, fellow-traveling liberals, Communist dupes, Communists and spies — distinctions that were important to make. The new information from Russian and American archives does not vindicate McCarthy. He remains a demagogue, whose wild charges actually made the fight against Communist subversion more difficult. Like Gresham’s Law, McCarthy’s allegations marginalized the accurate claims. Because his facts were so often wrong, real spies were able to hide behind the cover of being one of his victims and even persuade well-meaning but naïve people that the whole anti-communist cause was based on inaccuracies and hysteria.

    http://tfninsider.org/2009/10/29/reh...seph-mccarthy/

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    Among the most knowledgeable experts on the Venona project is Harvey Klehr, a professor of politics and history at Emory University. Prof. Klehr traveled in 1992 to the former Soviet Union, where he got access to Soviet spy archives. He also studied the Venona cables after the U.S. government declassified them in the 1990s. With John Earl Haynes, Prof. Klehr co-authored Venona: Decoding Soviet Espionage in America, published in 1999 by Yale University.

    In short, when it comes to Soviet espionage in America, the Venona project and Joseph McCarthy, Prof. Klehr has the credentials to show that he knows what he’s talking about. In fact, he is very critical of those who still deny the extent of that espionage or downplay its significance.

    But he isn’t buying efforts to rehabilitate McCarthy’s image. Prof. Klehr told an audience at a 2005 conference that McCarthy may have been right about “some of the larger issues” — such as, that there actually were communist spies in America — but that he was recklessly wrong on much else, especially the details:

    [V]irtually none of the people that McCarthy claimed or alleged were Soviet agents turn up in Venona. He did identify a few small fry who we now know were spies but only a few. And there is little evidence that those he fingered were among the unidentified spies of Venona. Many of his claims were wildly inaccurate; his charges filled with errors of fact, misjudgments of organizations and innuendoes disguised as evidence. He failed to recognize or understand the differences among genuine liberals, fellow-traveling liberals, Communist dupes, Communists and spies — distinctions that were important to make. The new information from Russian and American archives does not vindicate McCarthy. He remains a demagogue, whose wild charges actually made the fight against Communist subversion more difficult. Like Gresham’s Law, McCarthy’s allegations marginalized the accurate claims. Because his facts were so often wrong, real spies were able to hide behind the cover of being one of his victims and even persuade well-meaning but naïve people that the whole anti-communist cause was based on inaccuracies and hysteria.

    http://tfninsider.org/2009/10/29/reh...seph-mccarthy/
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    lol

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    BTW, Bachmann's ramblings exemplify how out-of-control our foreign policy is, tbh.....

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    Joe McCarthy is not a good examply to try to make someone look bad with. He was given a bum rap. He wasn't the one out there looking for communists in the general public. He was only looking to get rid on the communist spys in our government, and he did uncover several.

    Project Venona proves he was right, but it wasn't unclassified until sometime in the 90's.
    Glad to see a fellow Glenn Beck fan, we obviously listen ardently to the same commentators that educate us on what really happened throughout history. Those commie pinko man-nipple suckin' bas s really did penetrate us deeper than we ever knew...

    As for Bachmann, not really sure why people get their panties in a wad over that hoochie poochie. She's obviously only concerned with her own re-election at this point, she could give two s what the lame-stream media thinks. If you want to punish Bachmann, don't go to Minnesota...ever. Don't use Minnesota businesses either.

    Anyway, I still say she probably gives the best head of any sitting member of Congress.

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    And I wish some of these numb nuts would go out and read the letter before they make these horrible allegations about the horrible accusations we’re making.
    Huh?

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    Joe McCarthy? Seriously?

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    Among the most knowledgeable experts on the Venona project is Harvey Klehr, a professor of politics and history at Emory University. Prof. Klehr traveled in 1992 to the former Soviet Union, where he got access to Soviet spy archives. He also studied the Venona cables after the U.S. government declassified them in the 1990s. With John Earl Haynes, Prof. Klehr co-authored Venona: Decoding Soviet Espionage in America, published in 1999 by Yale University.

    In short, when it comes to Soviet espionage in America, the Venona project and Joseph McCarthy, Prof. Klehr has the credentials to show that he knows what he’s talking about. In fact, he is very critical of those who still deny the extent of that espionage or downplay its significance.

    But he isn’t buying efforts to rehabilitate McCarthy’s image. Prof. Klehr told an audience at a 2005 conference that McCarthy may have been right about “some of the larger issues” — such as, that there actually were communist spies in America — but that he was recklessly wrong on much else, especially the details:

    [V]irtually none of the people that McCarthy claimed or alleged were Soviet agents turn up in Venona. He did identify a few small fry who we now know were spies but only a few. And there is little evidence that those he fingered were among the unidentified spies of Venona. Many of his claims were wildly inaccurate; his charges filled with errors of fact, misjudgments of organizations and innuendoes disguised as evidence. He failed to recognize or understand the differences among genuine liberals, fellow-traveling liberals, Communist dupes, Communists and spies — distinctions that were important to make. The new information from Russian and American archives does not vindicate McCarthy. He remains a demagogue, whose wild charges actually made the fight against Communist subversion more difficult. Like Gresham’s Law, McCarthy’s allegations marginalized the accurate claims. Because his facts were so often wrong, real spies were able to hide behind the cover of being one of his victims and even persuade well-meaning but naïve people that the whole anti-communist cause was based on inaccuracies and hysteria.

    http://tfninsider.org/2009/10/29/reh...seph-mccarthy/
    Are you suggesting that even though Project Venona found some of the same spies that McCarthy did, that all those named by McCarthy and not seen in Venona were wrong?

    That's shear stupidity!

    Besides, it wasn't McCarthy driving the Red Scare. It was others.

    Again...

    He was vocal in the public, only went after government employees. One of the people affected was a friend of Murrow's, though not by McCarthy's doing. Murrow actually sought to destroy McCarthy, and used some inaccurate information to do so.

    Ever watch Good Night and Good Luck? Watch it with an unbiased eye, and you see that Murrow was after McCarthy with no good cause. Clooney did an excellent job with that film.

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    Glad to see a fellow Glenn Beck fan, we obviously listen ardently to the same commentators that educate us on what really happened throughout history. Those commie pinko man-nipple suckin' bas s really did penetrate us deeper than we ever knew...

    As for Bachmann, not really sure why people get their panties in a wad over that hoochie poochie. She's obviously only concerned with her own re-election at this point, she could give two s what the lame-stream media thinks. If you want to punish Bachmann, don't go to Minnesota...ever. Don't use Minnesota businesses either.

    Anyway, I still say she probably gives the best head of any sitting member of Congress.
    I started looking into some of this material before I ever heard of Glen Beck. The declassification of Venona I believe started in '92 and was finished I think in '98.

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    Anyway, I still say she probably gives the best head of any sitting member of Congress.
    Really?

    I would think that le would belong to Barney Frank. He talks like he always has a down his throat.

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    Are you suggesting that even though Project Venona found some of the same spies that McCarthy did, that all those named by McCarthy and not seen in Venona were wrong?

    That's shear stupidity!
    Damn, you're stupid.

    I'm not saying anything. This guy who knows more than you ever could about this is saying McCarthy was as much of a as we all thought he was.

    lol shear

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    Damn, you're stupid.

    I'm not saying anything. This guy who knows more than you ever could about this is saying McCarthy was as much of a as we all thought he was.

    lol shear
    But you believe him without question?

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    But you believe him without question?
    What basis do you have to question him?

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    What basis do you have to question him?
    LOL...

    He says what supports what you already believe, so you don't care if it's true or not.

    Now I understand.

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    LOL...

    He says what supports what you already believe, so you don't care if it's true or not.

    Now I understand.
    LOL...

    You don't have any evidence whatsoever to contradict him, so you try to completely sidestep the question.

    Now I understand.

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    Gecko hiring this asshole

    Top Romney adviser Bolton calls Bachmann’s anti-Muslim witch hunt ‘legitimate’


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