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    New York Post

    NASA: Greenland's ice sheet melted this summer at an 'unprecedented rate'

    Climate scientists say they are stunned at how fast and how much of the ice that blankets Greenland has melted this year, and the surprising satellite data leaves them wondering what it all means.
    Stunned? Stunned by the confirmation of a 150-year cycle? Okay.

    Later in the article...

    "When we see melt in places that we haven't seen before, at least in a long period of time, it makes you sit up and ask what's happening?" said NASA chief scientist Waleed Abdalati. “It's a big signal, the meaning of which we're going to sort out for years to come."
    NASA's chief scientist Waleed Abdalati apparently didn't visit with glaciologist, Laura Koenig who pointed out -- again, in the last couple of paragraphs -- that this is a cyclical event evidenced in core samples.

    The article is strewn with terms like, "unprecedented," "stunned," "surprising," "wondering," and that's just in the le and whatever they call that teaser sentence, just under the le. In the remainder of the article you'll read:

    The ice sheet that blankets Greenland has melted at an unprecedented rate this summer, stunning NASA scientists and leaving many wondering what will happen next.
    Perhaps if they went back in the ice core records to, say, 1889, they wouldn't be wondering.

    "This was so extraordinary that at first I questioned the result: was this real or was it due to a data error?" Nghiem said in NASA's press release.
    Not so extraordinary, in geological terms, when it happens just about every 150 years.

    "It's dramatic. It's disturbing," University of Delaware professor Andreas Muenchow said. "It's one of the manifestations that Greenland is changing very fast."
    As it does every 150 years, or so.

    Shall we see if we can find a mainstream media story that doesn't sensationalize and misrepresent the story?

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    Obviously you're just smarter than those scientists, Jack. I mean, if only they had your logic.

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    Oh , I guess Yonivore knows more about the geology of ice sheets than the people that study them too. Thanks for correcting them, Yoni.

    Geosynchronous observing of Greenland.

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    Obviously you're just smarter than those scientists, Jack. I mean, if only they had your logic.
    Logic, maybe in this case. I'd say common sense though. God bless

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    1. It DID surprise scientists.
    That doesn't surprise me at all. They are so full of themselves, they think they know everything.

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    How can it surprise scientist if it happens every 150 years. Didn't scientist determine the earth is over 4 billion years old. With that knowledge I would say its pretty common. God bless
    Because the AGW scientists are taught dogma. Not science.

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    1. It DID surprise scientists.
    The glaciologist, Laura Koenig said the melt was right on time. She wasn't surprised in the least.

    2. It has been freakishly warm.
    Perhaps it was freakishly warm in 1889 and this is just serving to prove the folly of the AGCC nonsense.

    I don't think you guys understand that an event that occurs on average once every 150 years isn't exactly commonplace. Why is it noteworthy? Because whether or not it has occurred before, this is the exact type of event you would expect in a warming climate.
    I understand it happens every 150 years and, as such, should have been of no surprise to anyone with any knowledge about climate, geology, or glaciers.

    Its going to occur again in the near future, and again after that. This little thing called thermodynamics is going to make sure of that.
    When that happens and breaks the 150-year cycle, you've got a story.

    You guys are rich. Those scientists said all the right things. They didn't attribute the single event to AGW.
    You're right, they let the masses draw that conclusion. Apparently, Laura Koenig, the glaciologist believe that's to what the scientists were attributing the phenomenon...or, the reporter mischaracterized her response (either way, it supports my belief the media is the guilty party here).

    Lora Koenig, a glaciologist who analyzed July's satellite data, says it's not time to get up in arms about global warming … yet.
    They maintained that it has occurred before. Yet, its not good enough. They're not trying to scare anyone. They've said that most of the melt on the actual top of the ice sheet likely simply refroze once temps dropped back down but you're all still foaming at the mouth because they pointed out its the first time we've observed this. The only records we have of an event like this are from ice cores and not direct observation. THAT is why it is noteworthy.
    There's too much breathless amazement for this to be the simple explanation. I believe they wanted the media to draw an alarmist conclusion that -- without the sane counter information of Laura Koenig -- would have hit the presses without that piece of wisdom.

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    Oh , I guess Yonivore knows more about the geology of ice sheets than the people that study them too. Thanks for correcting them, Yoni.

    Geosynchronous observing of Greenland.

    I think his point was that satellites haven't been around very long.

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    Because the AGW scientists are taught dogma. Not science.
    That's a good point.

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    Obviously you're just smarter than those scientists, Jack. I mean, if only they had your logic.
    Really? That's your defense?

    , maybe we are smarter than those scientists. I certainly wouldn't be surprised by the occurrence of a cyclical phenomenon.

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    You're right, they let the masses draw that conclusion. Apparently, Laura Koenig, the glaciologist believe that's to what the scientists were attributing the phenomenon...or, the reporter mischaracterized her response (either way, it supports my belief the media is the guilty party here).




    There's too much breathless amazement for this to be the simple explanation. I believe they wanted the media to draw an alarmist conclusion that -- without the sane counter information of Laura Koenig -- would have hit the presses without that piece of wisdom.
    Absolutely. Why else report it without a proper explanation. The AGW alarmist motion is still in place, and they just let it be carried along.

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    How can it surprise scientist if it happens every 150 years. Didn't scientist determine the earth is over 4 billion years old. With that knowledge I would say its pretty common. God bless
    lol cracker jack scientist..

    jack must have slept at a holiday inn last night

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    Because the AGW scientists are taught dogma. Not science.
    what do you base this on? or is this one of those times that wc is taking the low road?

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    The glaciologist, Laura Koenig said the melt was right on time. She wasn't surprised in the least.


    Perhaps it was freakishly warm in 1889 and this is just serving to prove the folly of the AGCC nonsense.


    I understand it happens every 150 years and, as such, should have been of no surprise to anyone with any knowledge about climate, geology, or glaciers.


    When that happens and breaks the 150-year cycle, you've got a story.


    You're right, they let the masses draw that conclusion. Apparently, Laura Koenig, the glaciologist believe that's to what the scientists were attributing the phenomenon...or, the reporter mischaracterized her response (either way, it supports my belief the media is the guilty party here).




    There's too much breathless amazement for this to be the simple explanation. I believe they wanted the media to draw an alarmist conclusion that -- without the sane counter information of Laura Koenig -- would have hit the presses without that piece of wisdom.
    yoni assigning motives to people he doesn't know...shocking!

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    what do you base this on? or is this one of those times that wc is taking the low road?
    I see you haven't been reading my past takes on how they are taught, and my usage of U of I (University of Indoctrination.)

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    lol cracker jack scientist..
    How bout you answer that question, brother? I would be very curious on your thoughts. We already know your feeling on me. Don't be afraid. No one will think any less of you, that I promise. God bless

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    what do you base this on? or is this one of those times that wc is taking the low road?
    Being surprised by a cyclical event is one strike against them.

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    How bout you answer that question, brother? I would be very curious on your thoughts. We already know your feeling on me. Don't be afraid. No one will think any less of you, that I promise. God bless
    Absolutely.

    It's very hard to think any less of George than we already do!

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    yoni assigning motives to people he doesn't know...shocking!
    Why did the New York post drag global warming into the story?

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    Being surprised by a cyclical event is one strike against them.
    This isn't the first time. Just the first time I've see so much attention over it.

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    I think his point was that satellites haven't been around very long.
    Yeah thats fine and all but it doesn't change that its still significant.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    I see you haven't been reading my past takes on how they are taught, and my usage of U of I (University of Indoctrination.)
    specifically, what are you talking about? it's easy to make statement.. so fill us in.. I am assuming you have reviewed the majority of science departments lesson plans in world.. so educate me.

    "Week 4"

    Teach that is made up


    "Week 5"

    learn how to confuse the populace of the world and convince them of something the scientific community is making up..

    lol

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    Why did the New York post drag global warming into the story?
    you tell us... you know what they are thinking..

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    Really? That's your defense?

    , maybe we are smarter than those scientists. I certainly wouldn't be surprised by the occurrence of a cyclical phenomenon.
    Thats because you don't understand the context under whch the phenomenon occur because you're not an expert in the field. You act like you understand ANYTHING of what you're talking about. 150 year cycle, 123 years since last event. Right on time. SMH

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    Back to the subject of the thread, I'm about to kill the thread sizing in a few with some Landsat comparisons of my own.

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