Magic meeting with Dwight today, out of options

[TIMMYtoZO]

@ all the teams involved in this Howard saga. Nothing but fail from everyone of them. They are all trying their hardest to create a super team but are looking more and more pathetic. I love being a Heat fan. Seeing teams failing at this is comedy. Laker, Rocket, and Net fans have all gotten their hopes up over this all month and NOTHING has happened.

[baseline bum]

I do believe that with all teams except Lakers or Knicks... I think Knicks are out of the picture. Dwight is Lakers bound, I have zero doubt about it at this point. The only way he doesn't end up there is that his back is damaged goods, IMO.

If I'm Orlando I do that trade in a second if Bynum signs the extension. Only thing is, why does Bynum sign the extension with them? If he says no and kills the Howard trade, then they sign s to the max extension with the fifth year anyways. Bynum is the guy with leverage here, and he has no reason to give it up to play for a lesser team in a lesser market when he can continue getting paid in LA while still having a supporting that's almost always a le contender around him.

[Clipper Nation]

I do believe that with all teams except Lakers or Knicks... I think Knicks are out of the picture. Dwight is Lakers bound, I have zero doubt about it at this point. The only way he doesn't end up there is that his back is damaged goods, IMO.

Or if they wait until the deadline (at which point he'd probably be Brooklyn bound) or, more likely, don't trade him at all, and then the Lakers wouldn't be able to afford him, tbh.....

[baseline bum]

I do believe that with all teams except Lakers or Knicks... I think Knicks are out of the picture. Dwight is Lakers bound, I have zero doubt about it at this point. The only way he doesn't end up there is that his back is damaged goods, IMO.

But to answer the question, I think he softens that stance at the trade deadline. I think maybe he agrees to go to Golden State. Or he eventually tells OKC he'll re-sign there and Orlando gets Harden+Ibaka+picks. The Lakers deal is still there at the deadline. The Rockets deal probably is too, except now the Magic have more than half a season to see which Houston prospects can actually cut it in the league.

[djohn2oo8]

I know there are/were deals on the table, but how can Orlando try to convince Dwight to stay when Dwight threatened to use legal action against them? Orlando looks like s right now.

[baseline bum]

I know there are/were deals on the table, but how can Orlando try to convince Dwight to stay when Dwight threatened to use legal action against them? Orlando looks like s right now.

Even if they can't, he can be convinced to sign an extension elsewhere. That's the whole reason Houston wants to do the trade. If you don't think so, then you should be mad as the Rockets are even considering it.

[djohn2oo8]

Even if they can't, he can be convinced to sign an extension elsewhere. That's the whole reason Houston wants to do the trade. If you don't think so, then you should be mad as the Rockets are even considering it.

I understand why the Rockets or anyone else would try, I'm just wondering why would Orlando want to keep him at all after what he pulled. I understand if they couldn't get value back, but not if it's purely out of goodwill.

[baseline bum]

I understand why the Rockets or anyone else would try, I'm just wondering why would Orlando want to keep him at all after what he pulled. I understand if they couldn't get value back, but not if it's purely out of goodwill.

The same reason the Lakers kept Kobe: because no trade they can do will get them anything close to equal value in return.

[ElNono]

If I'm Orlando I do that trade in a second if Bynum signs the extension. Only thing is, why does Bynum sign the extension with them? If he says no and kills the Howard trade, then they sign s to the max extension with the fifth year anyways. Bynum is the guy with leverage here, and he has no reason to give it up to play for a lesser team in a lesser market when he can continue getting paid in LA while still having a supporting that's almost always a le contender around him.

I'm not sure how the salaries match, but why wouldn't the Lakers let Drew walk and open up the capspace to sign Dwight outright when he becomes a free agent?

[Mel_13]

I agree with baseline bum. There's no reason for Orlando to take a bad deal now. Bad deals will continue to be available from now until the season starts at the end of October. They'll be available on Dec 15th when most of this summer's free agents will be available to be traded. They'll be available on Jan 15th when the remaining summer signings will be available to be traded. And they'll be available at the February trade deadline. Howard's an extremely valuable asset. There's every reason to play out the scenario for as long as it takes to get an acceptable deal.

[TDMVPDPOY]

htf is d12 going to take legal action when the trade deadline is not till feb?...this guy is nothing but a clown

[Mel_13]

I'm not sure how the salaries match, but why wouldn't the Lakers let Drew walk and open up the capspace to sign Dwight outright when he becomes a free agent?

Because Kobe+Pau+Steve already reaches or approaches the salary cap. The Lakers will be about 40M over the cap this season.

[Koolaid_Man]

I understand why the Rockets or anyone else would try, I'm just wondering why would Orlando want to keep him at all after what he pulled. I understand if they couldn't get value back, but not if it's purely out of goodwill.

It's a racial issue..the new GM thinks he's so intellectually superior and can talk this down...

Seriously...Hennigan says he's not trading Dwight unless he gets equal value...He's either delusional or just ing with Dwight...I think it's both..He had a taste if success in OKC and that success is the same thing that will drive him off the cliff...the longer he waits the worse it gets for him...and man I might just die of laughter if he waits till Jan and then trades him to Brooklyn...no way they let him walk...either LA, Houston, or Dallas should end up with him..Unless Hennigan and OKC pull a Mchale and Ainge (ala Garnett) on us...

[Koolaid_Man]

Because Kobe+Pau+Steve already reaches or approaches the salary cap. The Lakers will be about 40M over the cap this season.

You don't know what the you're talking about

[Koolaid_Man]

I agree with baseline bum. There's no reason for Orlando to take a bad deal now. Bad deals will continue to be available from now until the season starts at the end of October. They'll be available on Dec 15th when most of this summer's free agents will be available to be traded. They'll be available on Jan 15th when the remaining summer signings will be available to be traded. And they'll be available at the February trade deadline. Howard's an extremely valuable asset. There's every reason to play out the scenario for as long as it takes to get an acceptable deal.

you guys are silly and stupid as

listen it's an even worse deal for any team trading away their key assets for Dwight in Feb only to have him walk after a few months

[baseline bum]

I'm not sure how the salaries match, but why wouldn't the Lakers let Drew walk and open up the capspace to sign Dwight outright when he becomes a free agent?

They'd have to amnesty Kobe and renounce Bynum to get far enough under the cap to sign Howard outright. Amnestying Gasol or Artest wouldn't cut it.

[ElNono]

Because Kobe+Pau+Steve already reaches or approaches the salary cap. The Lakers will be about 40M over the cap this season.

Yeah, looking at the salaries, that $28m for Kobe is a killer... With the cap at probably somewhere in the $60m next season, they would only have $11m if they amnesty World Peace and don't really count anybody else.

lol Steve Blake sucking up $4 million

[Mel_13]

You don't know what the you're talking about

Look it up.

[Koolaid_Man]

I'm not sure how the salaries match, but why wouldn't the Lakers let Drew walk and open up the capspace to sign Dwight outright when he becomes a free agent?

that's a viable option but also risky...we're not just gonna let Bynum walk unlesss we know we sure we got Dwight

[ElNono]

They'd have to amnesty Kobe and renounce Bynum to get far enough under the cap to sign Howard outright. Amnestying Gasol or Artest wouldn't cut it.

What's the max contract worth these days? Gasol is set to make $19 million next season.

[DPG21920]

I agree with baseline bum. There's no reason for Orlando to take a bad deal now. Bad deals will continue to be available from now until the season starts at the end of October. They'll be available on Dec 15th when most of this summer's free agents will be available to be traded. They'll be available on Jan 15th when the remaining summer signings will be available to be traded. And they'll be available at the February trade deadline. Howard's an extremely valuable asset. There's every reason to play out the scenario for as long as it takes to get an acceptable deal.

Except if the deals aren't good now, there is not a whole lot of hope about them improving. Not to mention you have this massive cloud hanging over your franchise with no direction to start the season and massive distractions.

[ElNono]

that's a viable option but also risky...we're not just gonna let Bynum walk unlesss we know we sure we got Dwight

You have to wonder if that's what delaying Drew being offered an extension...

[baseline bum]

What's the max contract worth these days? Gasol is set to make $19 million next season.

Howard's max salary he can sign for will be $20.22 million.

[Koolaid_Man]

Look it up.

nope..I think we're 20 over plus another 20-30 in Lux tax penalties if not mistaken

[baseline bum]

Except if the deals aren't good now, there is not a whole lot of hope about them improving. Not to mention you have this massive cloud hanging over your franchise with no direction to start the season and massive distractions.

Him leaving for garbage leaves a massive cloud over the Magic's season too. It's inevitable that next year is going to be a very dark year in Orlando Magic history. They have absolutely nothing they can use to rebuild other than Howard, so they can't blink and take a bad offer.