Magic meeting with Dwight today, out of options

[baseline bum]

How does keeping Dwight help them tank?

I agree. It doesn't. Since this draft is pretty ty, it's not a huge opportunity cost to lose out on a high pick in order to get value for Howard.

And I get their cap is not bad. But why not dump whatever you can? If they did 3 way they get 2 teams to eat their remaining bad contracts.They deal with Houston you force them to at least eat two. I don't blame them for negotiating, but I do think waiting for trade deadline is unwise.

Why dump contracts that aren't that bad in lieu of getting assets when your financial situation is strong enough to worry about the long-term instead of the short? For most owners I could see the argument about the salary now mattering, but not for one of the richest people in the world like DeVos. As it stands now they already have tons of capspace for the summer of 2014 and even a good amount of capspace for next summer ($42 million committed for 2013-14).

[Mel_13]

Melo's top desitination had a lot more assets than Dwights. Melo also said he would extend in NY so they could afford to cough up more. Like CP3 agreeing to opt in to another year for LA.

Dwight is not doing that.

Not yet.

[DPG21920]

I guess we just disagree on what is a bad deal. I mean to me, getting multiple 1st rounders and insta-cap space from HOU with a couple solid (even if not spectacular) young players seems to be pretty damn good.

[Koolaid_Man]

Alex Kennedy: Orlando Magic general manager Rob Hennigan and his staff are currently meeting with Dwight Howard in Los Angeles, according to sources. 2 minutes ago

If Dwight wants to walk away with his manhood intact..I better see tweets that he's doubled down on his trade demands and will walk away from Orlando if they keep him...anything else and he's a neutered man

[baseline bum]

Melo's top desitination had a lot more assets than Dwights. Melo also said he would extend in NY so they could afford to cough up more. Like CP3 agreeing to opt in to another year for LA.

Dwight is not doing that.

Melo could hold on his threat of not extending because you could still do sign and trades for hometown contracts. That's gone now.

[DPG21920]

Not yet.

There is the risk ORL has vs what DEN had. Melo from the start said he would re-sign and NY happened to have assets. Its not apples to apple no matter how long you wait.

[Mel_13]

Melo wasn't the distraction/headache Dwight was publicly and privately.

Before the Dwightmare there was the Melodrama.

[Koolaid_Man]

I agree. It doesn't. Since this draft is pretty ty, it's not a huge opportunity cost to lose out on a high pick in order to get value for Howard.



Why dump contracts that aren't that bad in lieu of getting assets when your financial situation is strong enough to worry about the long-term instead of the short? For most owners I could see the argument about the salary now mattering, but not for one of the richest people in the world like DeVos. As it stands now they already have tons of capspace for the summer of 2014 and even a good amount of capspace for next summer ($42 million committed for 2013-14).

don't you have your own ty ass team to worry bout

[baseline bum]

So you think the pressure of hitting FA will get so great on DH by the approaching trade deadline that he will agree to sign an extension and teams will up their offers? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Yes. It is the only way Howard can get max raises and a fifth year. If he didn't badly want those two things he would have opted out and signed in Brooklyn. Howard has shown his hand.

Just thinking logically - if teams truly believed what you are saying, wouldn't they make their best offer to just get Dwigth now knowing he's all about the money and will sign an extension to keep that money regardless of where he plays? If a team is wanting confirmation that Dwight will re-sign, it's because the GM's legitimately think he will walk in FA if traded there.

Because it's still a gamble until he actually agrees.

[Mel_13]

There is the risk ORL has vs what DEN had. Melo from the start said he would re-sign and NY happened to have assets. Its not apples to apple no matter how long you wait.

Who said it was apples to apples? It was an example of the benefits of waiting. Obviously there are differences as well as similarities.

The bottom line, from my perspective anyway, is that the potential benefits of waiting outweigh the potential costs.

[baseline bum]

don't you have your own ty ass team to worry bout

Why don't you make a thread to call me out and quit interrupting when grown people are talking here?

[DPG21920]

Also, the leverage from the new CBA is slightly over-exaggerated IMO. The only difference in the contracts is guaranteed number of years. For a young player, taking a 4 year, 80M v a 5 year, 100M seems like a big difference until you realize that if you are still playing at a high level, you will get that 5th year and not lose anything really.

It definitely presents more risk, but it's slightly exagerrated IMO. With Dwill, it was more in play, but also the fact was that Dallas couldn't build around him instantly because they blew it and the money they had available wasn't going to allow that. So at that point, Dwill probably said I'll take the more, safer bet.

[djohn2oo8]

Before the Dwightmare there was the Melodrama.

Melo said he would re-sign. Dwight's own stupidity is what caused Dwightmare and saying he would re-sign only in Brooklyn, plus getting Van Gundy fired.

[DPG21920]

Yes. It is the only way Howard can get max raises and a fifth year. If he badly want those two things he would have opted out and signed in Brooklyn. Howard has shown his hand.



Because it's still a gamble until he actually agrees.

You are saying it's not a gamble. You are saying Dwight showed his hand. That leads me to believe you think he's not about the money - at least to the point to where you don't fully believe that's all he's about.

[Mel_13]

Also, the leverage from the new CBA is slightly over-exaggerated IMO. The only difference in the contracts is guaranteed number of years. For a young player, taking a 4 year, 80M v a 5 year, 100M seems like a big difference until you realize that if you are still playing at a high level, you will get that 5th year and not lose anything really.

It definitely presents more risk, but it's slightly exagerrated IMO. With Dwill, it was more in play, but also the fact was that Dallas couldn't build around him instantly because they blew it and the money they had available wasn't going to allow that. So at that point, Dwill probably said I'll take the more, safer bet.

That would seem to be logical, but the lure of the 5th guaranteed year has to be factored in until the first FA turns down a 5yr deal with bigger raises to take a 4yr deal with smaller raises.

[baseline bum]

You are saying it's not a gamble. You are saying Dwight showed his hand. That leads me to believe you think he's not about the money - at least to the point to where you don't fully believe that's all he's about.

Incorrect. Teams want to protect against a worst-case scenario if they're going to give up great assets.

[Mel_13]

Melo said he would re-sign. Dwight's own stupidity is what caused Dwightmare and saying he would re-sign only in Brooklyn, plus getting Van Gundy fired.

Melo said he would only sign an extension with the Knicks.

[baseline bum]

Also, the leverage from the new CBA is slightly over-exaggerated IMO. The only difference in the contracts is guaranteed number of years. For a young player, taking a 4 year, 80M v a 5 year, 100M seems like a big difference until you realize that if you are still playing at a high level, you will get that 5th year and not lose anything really.

I would agree with you if I was in Howard's shoes, but he has shown he wants that fifth year enough to sabotage going to the team he was so in love with.

[DPG21920]

Incorrect. Teams want to protect against a worst-case scenario if they're going to give up great assets.

That just makes very little overall logical sense to me. If Dwight showed his hand, it is what it is. Actions speak louder than words. With all of this drama, the deals won't get any better because even if Dwight is forced into agreeing to re-sign, you couldn't trust it because you know it was just for the money and he will force his way out of there as soon as he gets it.

It just doesn't pass the logic test to me. There is a huge difference in agreeing to re-sign and what you are saying - being leverage into it. With all this drama, no one that Dwight reluctantly agrees to re-sign with will give up anything major because that risk is still there and there are no guarantees (he will hit FA regardless of whether he says he will agree or not - just like Dwill, so you run a major risk and he as a player is under no obligations to honor anything he says).

[Koolaid_Man]

Melo said he would re-sign. Dwight's own stupidity is what caused Dwightmare and saying he would re-sign only in Brooklyn, plus getting Van Gundy fired.

Hey Djohn baby...stop getting your panties in a twist...my sources tell me that Dwight will be traded to Houston...Hennigan is looking out for his legacy in OKC and in Orlando...He doesn't want to trade with the Lakers even if it is the best deal for his team in trading for the 2nd best center in the league...

He spent a great deal of time building the Magic and doesn't want to see Dwight go to LA to help stop them..He also has the cover of the bitter Shaq departure to LA back in 94 to help appease the Orlando fans..so even if he makes a trade not based on what's good for the Magic but rather his legacy no one will ever call him out on it..well that is except for Kool

[Koolaid_Man]

I meant ^ He spent a great deal of time building the Thunder

[DPG21920]

I get what BB and Mel are saying - I just disagree about the benefits of waiting for the reasons I posted. Either way, not looking good so we just have to see how ORL pulls out of this.

[baseline bum]

That just makes very little overall logical sense to me. If Dwight showed his hand, it is what it is. Actions speak louder than words. With all of this drama, the deals won't get any better because even if Dwight is forced into agreeing to re-sign, you couldn't trust it because you know it was just for the money and he will force his way out of there as soon as he gets it.

It just doesn't pass the logic test to me. There is a huge difference in agreeing to re-sign and what you are saying - being leverage into it. With all this drama, no one that Dwight reluctantly agrees to re-sign with will give up anything major because that risk is still there and there are no guarantees (he will hit FA regardless of whether he says he will agree or not - just like Dwill, so you run a major risk and he as a player is under no obligations to honor anything he says).

Do you buy fire insurance on your house? Do you think it's going to burn down?

[Killakobe81]

Incorrect. Teams want to protect against a worst-case scenario if they're going to give up great assets.

But here is whete we agree. So waiting decreases leverage right now any team interested in a rental at least get a full year to convince Dwight. Maybe you could get a mega deal with multiple teams. But as time moves on so do teams.

[baseline bum]

But here is whete we agree. So waiting decreases leverage right now any team interested in a rental at least get a full year to convince Dwight. Maybe you could get a mega deal with multiple teams. But as time moves on so do teams.

I just don't see him standing firm on his no extension pledge. Houston trades for him because they don't have a whole lot to lose in the off-chance he actually means it when he says he signs elsewhere.

But once that no-extension pledge dies, good offers will come rolling in. Howard will have to make that choice in February instead of putting it off until July like he could do if Houston trades for him.