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  1. #151
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    IMO, not the right question. The right question is: Why wouldn't Houston increase it's offer when faced with the possibility of losing any chance of acquiring Howard?
    Djohn answers that. Rox have drafted well being in the middle of the first round the past 3 years. They flipped Budinget a second rounder for a first and nabbed the white man's Scottie Pippen last year. The team and the fans can start to fall in love with their own players. Visit the clutch site many don't want Parsons to go in a potential Dwight deal haven't been there since the summer league started, I bet Lamb is Ray Allen 2.0.over there

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    Bosshog in the cut djohn2oo8's Avatar
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    1. You don't what their current offer is.

    2. You don't know how much more it would take to get Orlando to bite.

    3. So you don't know why they would or wouldn't increase the offer.
    I do know why they wouldn't increase it. They don't NEED Dwight. They want him, but won't sell the farm for him when they have young, cheap talent and can rebuild. (Excluding Lin and Asik

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    What will happen IMO, is ORL will end up looking very incompetent (which they already do with the pulling in and out of deals) because they will take a deal that has already been discussed and have caused a lot more damage by waiting (from a PR perspective, morale, ....).

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    You are right, great is exaggerating, good young talent with potential
    That's just way too little in exchange for one of the truly transcendent players in the game right now when you're not bent completely over the table like Cleveland was with James. I get there is no way the Magic get anything even approaching equal value, but that's just giving him away.

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    What will happen IMO, is ORL will end up looking very incompetent (which they already do with the pulling in and out of deals) because they will take a deal that has already been discussed and have caused a lot more damage by waiting (from a PR perspective, morale, ....).
    What was Cleveland's morale when James left? The Magic's morale next season is going to be in the ter no matter what happens short of landing an extended Bynum.

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    If you are saying the goal is to wait him out until the trade deadline where he will "change" his stance - that is exactly what it is. If you force him to say "I'll re-sign" in order to get his money, the destination doesn't become more desirable to him.

    He has teams on his list - I don't see that changing just because ORL waits him out. He will still end up traded to the 3 most likely teams and waiting wont change that and the offers are pretty much what they are. They can only go backwards IMO, not too much more forward so why hassle with the headache at that point to milk an extra dollar.
    It that were true, then you would be right. It appears that Orlando does not believe it to be true. It appears that their view is that the offers can only get a little worse, but the possibility exists for them to get much better. Enough so to be worth the hassle.

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    Dude, there is a huge difference when you have this cancer in your franchise and lockerroom vs when you don't.

    I'm not saying it's going to be happyville in the lockerroom with Dwight gone and this stupid drama over; however, there is no denying it will be miles better than if it drags on.

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    I do know why they wouldn't increase it. They don't NEED Dwight. They want him, but won't sell the farm for him when they have young, cheap talent and can rebuild. (Excluding Lin and Asik
    Houston's farm isn't .

    That's why the Magic keep turning down their offer.

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    Houston's farm isn't .

    That's why the Magic keep turning down their offer.
    No. Houston won't offer up everything Orlando wants, which is why you see them going to talk to Dwight. They're going to HAVE to take less if Dwight re-iterates his wish. You don't go into negotiations desperate.

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    Dude, there is a huge difference when you have this cancer in your franchise and lockerroom vs when you don't.

    I'm not saying it's going to be happyville in the lockerroom with Dwight gone and this stupid drama over; however, there is no denying it will be miles better than if it drags on.
    Miles better? Remember Cleveland being so demoralised they lost 25 straight? Besides, I don't think Howard can hold out until the trade deadline with his no extension pledge. I bet he waives it by the new year if he enters the season on their roster.

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    It that were true, then you would be right. It appears that Orlando does not believe it to be true. It appears that their view is that the offers can only get a little worse, but the possibility exists for them to get much better. Enough so to be worth the hassle.
    It appears to me that ORL management is inept.

    If it were true that teams know Dwight is only about the money and he will re-sign where ever he is traded - teams would make their best offers. A team watching ORL use the money tactic to wait Howard out and force him to say "I will re-sign" to gain leverage will know they can't trust Dwight at his word because of all this.

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    I do know why they wouldn't increase it. They don't NEED Dwight. They want him, but won't sell the farm for him when they have young, cheap talent and can rebuild. (Excluding Lin and Asik
    I'm confused.

    Weren't you the guy telling everyone why Houston had to go all in for Dwight?

    That it was the only way out of perpetual mediocrity?

    That if Dwight didn't stay they could go straight to the bottom and get the high lottery picks that they've been missing with their string of middle of the pack finishes?

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    I'm confused.

    Weren't you the guy telling everyone why Houston had to go all in for Dwight?

    That it was the only way out of perpetual mediocrity?

    That if Dwight didn't stay they could go straight to the bottom and get the high lottery picks that they've been missing with their string of middle of the pack finishes?
    Either way, they still could get a top pick. I was on board for going all in for Dwight, but I see Orlando has no choice but to trade him sooner rather than later. And when demand is low, price drops, or at least it should.

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    No. Houston won't offer up everything Orlando wants, which is why you see them going to talk to Dwight. They're going to HAVE to take less if Dwight re-iterates his wish. You don't go into negotiations desperate.
    They're going back and talking to Dwight because he's a first ballot Hall of Famer and because they likely won't get another player of his level for a decade at least. The Kobe situation looked every bit as toxic but Buss didn't roll over and all was forgiven. Not that I think that happens in this case, but you gotta try when the options are awful.

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    It appears to me that ORL management is inept.
    They've been inept for several years. I think that it's way too early to put that label on Hennigan. Trading Howard will be bad for Orlando, but they have no choice but to trade him. Hennigan is trying to mitigate the damage caused by that trade.

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    Either way, they still could get a top pick. I was on board for going all in for Dwight, but I see Orlando has no choice but to trade him sooner rather than later. And when demand is low, price drops, or at least it should.
    The demand is at rock-bottom right now!

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    They're going back and talking to Dwight because he's a first ballot Hall of Famer and because they likely won't get another player of his level for a decade at least. The Kobe situation looked every bit as toxic but Buss didn't roll over and all was forgiven. Not that I think this happens in that case, but you gotta try when the options are awful.
    True they won't get full value back, but Orlando lost leverage everytime Dwight's "Sources" said he's still trying to get to Brooklyn.

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    The demand is at rock-bottom right now!

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    there's really no concern of your big-name FA not re-signing under the new CBA, especially for the made ones like Deron and DH. s won't leave 30m or on table and sign with a great team to contend for championships, deron made the right choice between money and rings, and DH will make a similar one when it's his time

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    Either way, they still could get a top pick. I was on board for going all in for Dwight, but I see Orlando has no choice but to trade him sooner rather than later. And when demand is low, price drops, or at least it should.
    I thought that was you.

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    Houston won't up their offer for the simple fact they have an alternative to trading for Dwight by simply rebuilding and going young.
    Rebuilding or not, do they really want to go into the season with 10 power forwards on their roster or whatever it is?

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    True they won't get full value back, but Orlando lost leverage everytime Dwight's "Sources" said he's still trying to get to Brooklyn.
    LA and Houston are the only ones who ever had anything on that table not involving a long extension for Humphries, so Orlando lost nothing from those leaks.

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    I thought that was you.
    It was, then I stepped back and asked why not lowball them when the only compe ion is the Lakers. And the Lakers would need a third team to get it done anyway.

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    Either way, they still could get a top pick. I was on board for going all in for Dwight, but I see Orlando has no choice but to trade him sooner rather than later. And when demand is low, price drops, or at least it should.
    there's a big difference between a happy DH vs. an unhappy one imho. even if you could go all-in and get him, he ain't feeling much happier in houston playing with even tier supporting casts. he'll re-sign with your for $ sake but you'll still have to ship his ass elsewhere on his own request sooner or later

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    Rebuilding or not, do they really want to go into the season with 10 power forwards on their roster or whatever it is?
    Doubt that. They'll end up somewhere.

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