Magic meeting with Dwight today, out of options

[Koolaid_Man]

We don't know that.

In fact, it's mostly just guesswork as to what the current offers are. With the exception of the previous Brooklyn offer built around Lopez and Humphries, it's all complete speculation.

Btw, have you looked up your team's payroll yet?

and I won't..I cheated my way through college paid white boys to do my work for me... I don't do homework unless it's some on Duncan

now back to business...Dwight has pulled on the Magic front office what I call the coup de gras (or them up death blow)...He told them clearly (and the Rockets) that he will play for them but then walk at the end of the season...I don't think Hennigan was expecting that...so now the ball is in Hennigan's court..no team is going to give Hennigan anything of value with Dwight willing to give up 30 million and walk...

further Hennigan is only asking for trouble if he keeps Dwight...you can't let your team play the season with this kind of non-sense going on..check it out:

Hennigan and Perry did not explicitly try to convince Howard to drop his trade request, the source said. Instead, the Magic officials said they wanted to build a relationship with Howard since they are new to the Magic organization.

Howard responded by saying he has no interest in building a relationship with them

The subject of the new coach did not come up during Wednesday's meeting, because Howard said he has no interest in the Magic's future plans, according to the source.

Howard expressed frustration that Hennigan did not agree to trade him to the Brooklyn Nets before the Nets acquired Joe Johnson in a blockbuster trade or to the Los Angeles Lakers before the Lakers obtained Steve Nash in another trade, the source said.

Howard's agent, Dan Fegan, and Howard's manager, Kevin Samples, also attended Wednesday's meeting, which ended with handshakes.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...agic-teammates

[djohn2oo8]

Hennigan should just admit he's too scared to trade him with that "build trust and a relationship with Dwight" bull .

[Mel_13]

and I won't..

So you choose to remain ignorant? Predictable.

[Koolaid_Man]

Different stories, but now it's pretty obvious that Dwight is firm in leaving Orlando. Cases get much more similar now.

no they don't..Melo wanted the Knicks it's his hometown...Dwight wants Brooklyn...Melo didn't threat to leave if traded elsewhere...Dwight has and has done so repeatedly...Dwight's really angry now so I expect him to follow through on his threat...situations are totally different - get a clue

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Not at all. Dwight's value is , and is becoming hated around the league. He opted in to keep his money and thinks Orlando owes it to him to trade him to his desired destination when all he had to do was opt out..

I'm talking in terms of potential trade offers. It was obvious that Melo wasn't staying, just how it's obvious that Dwight isn't staying. Of course the new CBA and extension rules are different in how Melo was extended and how Dwight can be now, but it's not crazy to believe that waiting it out until the deadline can get them a better offer, if not similar to ones now.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

no they don't..Melo wanted the Knicks it's his hometown...Dwight wants Brooklyn...Melo didn't threat to leave if traded elsewhere...Dwight has and has done so repeatedly...Dwight's really angry now so I expect him to follow through on his threat...situations are totally different - get a clue

The only two trade options for Melo were Knicks and Nets, and stated scenarios in which he was fine with either trade, as long as he got his extension. They both it made clear they were leaving and made it clear where they wanted to go. Totally different?

[djohn2oo8]

The only two trade options for Melo were Knicks and Nets, and stated scenarios in which he was fine with either trade, as long as he got his extension. They both it made clear they were leaving and made it clear where they wanted to go. Totally different?

The Teams Melo wanted to go to had the assets to trade for him to begin with. The Nets, nor Lakers have the assets. Lakers need a 3rd team, and the Nets are out.

[djohn2oo8]

Plus Melo got traded to a team where they knew he would sign an extension. Not the same for Dwight.

[DPG21920]

Good news is we will get a chance to see how this plays out.

[Koolaid_Man]

The only two trade options for Melo were Knicks and Nets, and stated scenarios in which he was fine with either trade, as long as he got his extension. They both it made clear they were leaving and made it clear where they wanted to go. Totally different?

for the umpteenth time yes...

you can always find small similarities in every scenario..but that's not what we're discussing...Melo didn't opt in...Melo didn't try to force his way to the Knicks...Melo didn't change his mind on his preferred destination multiple times...Melo didn't hold the Nuggets hostage and force their hand...they knew they treated him like and he was leaving so they did the wise thing and traded him. Teams had more flexibility under the old CBA...Nuggets had a vision of what they wanted for their team post Melo..Orlando doesn't know what they they want for their future...

Totally different scenarios way more than similar...

Orlando should realize this is not similiar to Lebron leaving the Cavs....if Orlando let's Dwight walk for nothing..they can forget about rebuilding soon...because they'll still have enough talent on that team to make an 8th seed...they were 6th seed last year with Dwight playing some of the games...they maintained that when Dwight went down...without Dwight they make 7th or 8th seed easily...

Here is a no center line-up without Dwight:

Jameer
Hedo Turkey-Glue
Glen Davis
J-Rich
Chris Duhon

if they don't trade Dwight now...Orlando will be stuck with these bad contracts for years along with late round picks...trading Dwight is just basic business 101 common sense...Houston is their only direct trading partner since they don't like Bynum...and Houston would be foolish to give up anything with Dwight so openly saying he would leave them high and dry...Houston best bet is to go for Bynum...

[galvatron3000]

Has anyone ever release audio or video of howard actually saying he wants out, everything I ever saw from him was the opposite of REPORTS.

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dwight threatening to sign with the mavs if he isn't traded

[LkrFan]

Yahoo!

.... Dwight Howard was met with an unmistakable response in a Wednesday meeting: Howard continues to rule out a future with the Magic, and wants a trade to the Los Angeles Lakers before the start of the season, sources told Yahoo! Sports .....

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"Laker porn"

[tesseractive]

dwight threatening to sign with the mavs if he isn't traded

BTW, if Dwight's willing to go there, why aren't the Mavs in the hunt for a trade? Not enough assets?

In any case, I think the Dallas scenario is going to be what gives Orlando a solid chance at getting better offers closer to the trade deadline. Houston knows they have no chance at Dwight if he gets to free agency next summer, and unless Dwight plans to sign for the mini-midlevel (), the Lakers would have to do a sign and trade.

And really, Dwight's people would be pushing Dallas for a sign and trade too, because he wants that 5th year. So if Hennigan does nothing, this drags on to next summer, Dwight figures out where he wants to go, and that team tries to work out a sign and trade for him. If the offers suck now, they might actually get better next summer, because at least the team that's getting him will know they get to keep him.

So I don't think anybody has Orlando over a barrel here.

[Koolaid_Man]

BTW, if Dwight's willing to go there, why aren't the Mavs in the hunt for a trade? Not enough assets?

In any case, I think the Dallas scenario is going to be what gives Orlando a solid chance at getting better offers closer to the trade deadline. Houston knows they have no chance at Dwight if he gets to free agency next summer, and unless Dwight plans to sign for the mini-midlevel (), the Lakers would have to do a sign and trade.

And really, Dwight's people would be pushing Dallas for a sign and trade too, because he wants that 5th year. So if Hennigan does nothing, this drags on to next summer, Dwight figures out where he wants to go, and that team tries to work out a sign and trade for him. If the offers suck now, they might actually get better next summer, because at least the team that's getting him will know they get to keep him.

So I don't think anybody has Orlando over a barrel here.

^ I gotta give you credit at least you tried to sound like you know what the you're talking about...however, your lack of understanding is glaring to those of us who know how basketball and business works...

[LkrFan]

This reminds me of a timvp story I read upstairs:

Last Night’s SportsCenter Featured A Dwight Howard Story Plagiarized Word-For-Word From RealGM.com

On last night's 10 p.m. SportsCenter, ESPN delivered "BREAKING NEWS" about the Orlando Magic's desperate attempts to retain star Dwight Howard. Here's the full transcript of that report:

Orlando Magic General Manager Rob Hennigan met with the franchise's disenchanted superstar Dwight Howard today in Los Angeles and according to sources, Hennigan traveled to LA to have this face-to-face discussion with Howard with the hopes of persuading him back off his trade request and allow the organization more time to build a championship contender. Hennigan was unsuccessful in his pitch however, as Howard reiterated his desire to leave Orlando as soon as possible.

RealGM.com columnist Jarrod Rudolph happened to be watching last night's broadcast, and immediately recognized something in those words; specifically, Rudolph recognized them as his words. More than an hour before that SportsCenter broadcast, Rudolph published this Howard story on RealGM. It reads:

Orlando Magic General Manager Rob Hennigan met with the franchise's disenchanted superstar Dwight Howard on Wednesday in Los Angeles, sources have confirmed to RealGM. Hennigan traveled to Los Angeles to have a face-to-face discussion with Howard with the hopes of persuading him to back off his trade request and allow the organization more time to build a championship contender. Hennigan, however, was unsuccessful in his pitch as Howard reiterated his desire to leave Orlando as soon as possible, according to sources.

ESPN didn't even make a token attempt at paraphrasing; Lynn Hoppes would be proud. The Worldwide Leader not only reported the work of another journalist without attribution, they did so WORD-FOR-WORD. If SportsCenter was a college student, it would be facing expulsion. SportsCenter read a shorter version of the report a half hour later, again using phrases lifted directly from Rudolph's piece.

We reached out to ESPN spokesperson Josh Krulewitz to comment on this, but received an "out of the office" message. If anyone at ESPN would like to explain to us how this happened, we're all ears.

Plagiarized

Have they no shame?

[Koolaid_Man]

Yahoo!



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"Laker porn"

excellent caption...if we land Dwight..can you imagine Artest being given the green light to run around like the junk yard dawg...a real pit bull on the loose...man that line-up would be scary...

[Killakobe81]

Dwight is appealing but I still like our team with Bynum. Neither tream is wining a le in 2013, but I think we may move past OKC as West favorites with Dwight I would still favor OKC with Bynum.

Lebron will repeat. But i doubt he pulls out the 3peat

[LkrFan]

excellent caption...if we land Dwight..can you imagine Artest being given the green light to run around like the junk yard dawg...a real pit bull on the loose...man that line-up would be scary...

[Killakobe81]

BTW, if Dwight's willing to go there, why aren't the Mavs in the hunt for a trade? Not enough assets?

In any case, I think the Dallas scenario is going to be what gives Orlando a solid chance at getting better offers closer to the trade deadline. Houston knows they have no chance at Dwight if he gets to free agency next summer, and unless Dwight plans to sign for the mini-midlevel (), the Lakers would have to do a sign and trade.

And really, Dwight's people would be pushing Dallas for a sign and trade too, because he wants that 5th year. So if Hennigan does nothing, this drags on to next summer, Dwight figures out where he wants to go, and that team tries to work out a sign and trade for him. If the offers suck now, they might actually get better next summer, because at least the team that's getting him will know they get to keep him.

So I don't think anybody has Orlando over a barrel here.

This makes no sense. If Dwight hits FA what would Mavs offer? Exprings? what would Dallas offer to get Dwight one more year on a deal a late first round draft pick? Orlando has leverage now, not later. But it dwindles the longer they delay ...

[pass1st]

Dwight is appealing but I still like our team with Bynum. Neither tream is wining a le in 2013, but I think we may move past OKC as West favorites with Dwight I would still favor OKC with Bynum.

Lebron will repeat. But i doubt he pulls out the 3peat

OKC can only get better, tbh. They will probably on the west in 2014, 2001 Laker style maybe.

[LkrFan]

Dwight is appealing but I still like our team with Bynum. Neither tream is wining a le in 2013, but I think we may move past OKC as West favorites with Dwight I would still favor OKC with Bynum.

Lebron will repeat. But i doubt he pulls out the 3peat

I disagree. We lost for a few different reasons:

1) Our biggest strengths were neutralized: our size. Why? Because we had no reliable shooters outside of Kobe and Sessions the bed. Nash solves both problems. Pack the paint at your own risk.

2) Kobe won't have to be our best passer and scorer. With Nash on board we only need the latter from him. This will make him fresh come playoff time.

3) Either D-12 or Bynum will give us "20/10" with great anchorage next year. Count on it like death and taxes.

4) PNR. There are so many options for Nash to go to at the end of quarters/games. Kobe and Pau's PNR - as a go to play - took us to 3 straight Finals. Add Nash to it? It's on.

There are more reasons, but these 4 are enough for now. Miami still hasn't solved their Frontcourt issues. D-12 or Bynum will have his way with Miami. LeBron and Wade will have to play both sides of the court for 40 mpg - for a change.

Simply put: I like our chances against Miami with either D-12 or Bynum. Info our team is healthy we "will have to be dealt with" as Kobe said.

[tesseractive]

This makes no sense. If Dwight hits FA what would Mavs offer? Exprings? what would Dallas offer to get Dwight one more year on a deal a late first round draft pick? Orlando has leverage now, not later. But it dwindles the longer they delay ...

This year's crop of teams did ok with the return value on sign and trades. If Orlando's not getting back any value they want anyway, they might as well roll the dice and see if they can get something back on a sign and trade.

The advantage to Dallas in a sign and trade would mainly be that it would give them the option of going over the cap the way New Jersey did. If they don't sign anyone for straight-up cap space, they have a lot more options.

[Killakobe81]

OKC can only get better, tbh. They will probably on the west in 2014, 2001 Laker style maybe.

Maybe. Depends on what happens with Ibaka/Harden and how Westbrook matures. i dont think they will be 2001 Lakers good, but I expect that year for Durant to get his first. That is why I support us going all in this year. I think Lebron repeats, but I think OKC is one more year away and next year is the best year to get the Heat. Repeating is difficult and 3 straight finals appearances, let alone wins has only been done by a few teams so they are not a "lock" but smart money would bet on Lebron, he is THAT special but not sure the Heat are ... but I say they squak out a le in 6 or 7 this year and the following year someone will beat them ...hope it's us but my guess OKC will win it barrinng injury

[baseline bum]

I disagree. We lost for a few different reasons:

1) Our biggest strengths were neutralized: our size. Why? Because we had no reliable shooters and Kobe and Sessions the bed.

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