What 40 years has done to change Earth

[MannyIsGod]

Its a complete impossibility. I gave you proof when I told you the forces involved.

[TeyshaBlue]

A full account is detailed Here

*wipes Dr. Pepper off of monitor*

Thanks, stick.

[Wild Cobra]

I'll have to consult my astrologer on the best course of action to take now that you've called me an idiot. I'll get back to you once I've been guided by the stars.

I would normally ask if you meant to use blue, but in this case, I believe you.

[Wild Cobra]

i think its possible that these changes are the result of detroit not making cars with fins anymore.

Rather than the butterfly effect?

[MannyIsGod]

Other complete impossibilities:

WC ever being considered smart
WC ever being correct on a science issue
WC ever not taking an opportunity to make himself look dumber

[Wild Cobra]

Other complete impossibilities:

WC ever being considered smart
WC ever being correct on a science issue
WC ever not taking an opportunity to make himself look dumber

You still haven't answered my question.

Do tidal forces have an effect of geothermal heat, or not?

[Yonivore]

If I pick a card at random from a deck of 52 cards I'll get an ace on average 1 out of every 13 times. That does not mean there is a cycle. A cycle is something that occurs through a mechanism over and over again on a repeated time frame. IE, the melting of the Greenland Ice Sheet during the glacial interglacial periods is a cycle. The occurrence of period of melt absent of any large cyclical mechanism is NOT a cycle.

Its not about being argumentative its about the ignorance you display when discussing these systems and how you somehow expect to use your poor logic to disprove arguments you do not understand.

The tendency to personalize the invective in here is why there are few of us left and this has become a vat of trolls and polarized individuals who can never seem to agree on anything.

Is this what you would say to the glaciologist, quoted in the article, who said this event happens approximately every 150 years and that it's right on time? I think she's describing a cycle -- or, at the very least, something cyclical.

Look, I wasn't making the claim, I was relying on the same article posted earlier in the thread which quoted an EXPERT in glaciers as saying this was a cyclical event.

I'm not bothered by your name-calling; it just doesn't lend much authority to your statements or your claims of superior knowledge.

[Wild Cobra]

The tendency to personalize the invective in here is why there are few of us left and this has become a vat of trolls and polarized individuals who can never seem to agree on anything.

Is this what you would say to the glaciologist, quoted in the article, who said this event happens approximately every 150 years and that it's right on time? I think she's describing a cycle -- or, at the very least, something cyclical.

Look, I wasn't making the claim, I was relying on the same article posted earlier in the thread which quoted an EXPERT in glaciers as saying this was a cyclical event.

I'm not bothered by your name-calling; it just doesn't lend much authority to your statements or your claims of superior knowledge.

Ditto.

Too many people are more happy to make fun of others instead of an honest debate.

I wonder how pathetic their lives must be to have to feel better by making others look bad...

[clambake]

Ditto.

Too many people are more happy to make fun of others instead of an honest debate.

I wonder how pathetic their lives must be to have to feel better by making others look bad...

its not "others" that are making you look bad.

[vy65]

It's not that tidal forces have any geothermal effect ... it's the idea that jupiter's alignment affects the earth's tidal forces that makes us think your daddy ed re into your skull at an early age.

[Yonivore]

Ditto.

Too many people are more happy to make fun of others instead of an honest debate.

I wonder how pathetic their lives must be to have to feel better by making others look bad...

Seriously, shut the up; you can't judge their lives any more or less pathetic by witnessing their participation in an internet forum in which you and I are also participants? We've all done it.

You just did it by calling them pathetic.

[Wild Cobra]

its not "others" that are making you look bad.

I don't look bad. People who think I do should really start thinking outside the box they live in. It's in their mind. Not reality.

[MannyIsGod]

Yonivore you've said its impossible to convince you of anything on the subject, so what makes you think I have any authority on the subject with you at all? You don't listen to anything regardless of how many times you're proven wrong.

Furthermore, the declaration of ignorance wasn't even meant as an insult. Its the flat out truth. You've demonstrated little to no understanding of the science behind these discussions. You have little to no understanding on the subject and yet you walk into every discussion acting very sure in your positions that are contrary to most atmospheric scientists around. You use their words completely out of context in order to make arguments they would never put forth.

As an example, the excellent blog you put forth run by the Texas State Climatologist. You recommended his post because you thought it would support your arguments. However, you failed to look over the rest of his posts and see that he regularly goes after people who try and say AGW is not (edit - left out quite the important word here) real. You're doing it now with the glacialogist.

“Ice cores from Summit show that melting events of this type occur about once every 150 years on average. With the last one happening in 1889, this event is right on time,” says Lora Koenig, a Goddard glaciologist and a member of the research team analyzing the satellite data. “But if we continue to observe melting events like this in upcoming years, it will be worrisome.”

Those are her words. Where is the word cycle?

[Wild Cobra]

It's not that tidal forces have any geothermal effect ... it's the idea that jupiter's alignment affects the earth's tidal forces that makes us think your daddy ed re into your skull at an early age.

Then maybe you should look at how strong the total planetary effects are on the solar system's barycenter.



Do you really think that will have no effect on the earth?

[vy65]

Yes, I think that Jupiter's gravitational pull does not cause global warming.

Do you have a chart proving it does?

[Wild Cobra]

Seriously, shut the up; you can't judge their lives any more or less pathetic by witnessing their participation in an internet forum in which you and I are also participants? We've all done it.

You just did it by calling them pathetic.

LOL...

Yes, I do retaliate in kind.

[Wild Cobra]

Yes, I think that Jupiter's gravitational pull does not cause global warming.

Do you have a chart proving it does?

There is you problem.

You are assuming something I don't believe.

I never said or implied such a thing.

[MannyIsGod]

If you want me to not insult you, Yonivore, then I can try to do that. Thats a fair request. However, when I say you're ignorant on the subject thats not meant as an insult and if you take it as such I can't help that.

[MannyIsGod]

I never said or implied such a thing.

[vy65]

No I'm assuming something proven by math/physics. You know what those are right?

[TeyshaBlue]

Ditto.

Too many people are more happy to make fun of others instead of an honest debate.

I wonder how pathetic their lives must be to have to feel better by making others look bad...

:facepalm

[TeyshaBlue]

Seriously, shut the up; you can't judge their lives any more or less pathetic by witnessing their participation in an internet forum in which you and I are also participants? We've all done it.

You just did it by calling them pathetic.

Ok. Props, yoni.

[MannyIsGod]

Then maybe you should look at how strong the total planetary effects are on the solar system's barycenter.



Do you really think that will have no effect on the earth?

It has an affect on the earth. They orbit around a shared point. THAT is the effect.

Shocking the sun doesn't explode when the planets line up just right, huh?

[Yonivore]

Yonivore you've said its impossible to convince you of anything on the subject, so what makes you think I have any authority on the subject with you at all? You don't listen to anything regardless of how many times you're proven wrong.

Sure I listen and you've not proven me wrong on anything. I just happen to believe there are experts that don't share your belief in anthropogenic global climate change and that have persuaded me their position are both reasonable and plausible.

I continue to rely on those experts who, by the way, disagree with you.

Furthermore, the declaration of ignorance wasn't even meant as an insult. Its the flat out truth. You've demonstrated little to no understanding of the science behind these discussions. You have little to no understanding on the subject and yet you walk into every discussion acting very sure in your positions that are contrary to most atmospheric scientists around. You use their words completely out of context in order to make arguments they would never put forth.

Not that it makes a difference, but being called a moron and being called ignorant are entirely different.

As an example, the excellent blog you put forth run by the Texas State Climatologist. You recommended his post because you thought it would support your arguments. However, you failed to look over the rest of his posts and see that he regularly goes after people who try and say AGW is real. You're doing it now with the glacialogist.

“Ice cores from Summit show that melting events of this type occur about once every 150 years on average. With the last one happening in 1889, this event is right on time,” says Lora Koenig, a Goddard glaciologist and a member of the research team analyzing the satellite data. “But if we continue to observe melting events like this in upcoming years, it will be worrisome.”

Those are her words. Where is the word cycle?

Right there in the second underlined and bolded part of her quote. Ms. Koenig's declaration of the event being "right on time" suggest a cycle that can be predicted to recur on a cyclical time-frame. I'd bet, if you asked her, she would say, This will occur again in about 150 years.

[MannyIsGod]

The requests to avoid insults are fair. I'll try my best.