chick fil a appreciation day!

[TeyshaBlue]

I disagree that they are riding on product alone.

If a store leased the rights to sell the exact same Chicken sandwiches as Chick-Fil-A, but they had to call it "Joe's Chicken Sandwich Store" or something else - it wouldn't have the same impact.

A franchisee is leasing the brand in it's entirety: it's product, it's store design, it's marketing, it's branding, etc.

Whether you agree or not, there is no denying in the modern business world that the CEO/President's beliefs are part of a company's branding. The only away to avoid this is by the CEO/President not saying ANYTHING. Once he/she opens their mouth (for better or worse), they are a reflection of the brand.

McDonalds is selling the out of their Southern Chicken Sandwich.
Product absolutely rules.

You have a point about beliefs being part of a company's branding. But beliefs <> product.

[DarrinS]

How many companies would be left standing if we shut down every business whose owner, CEO, or board of directors had, what was until very recently, a mainstream position (even among Democrats)?

And do people that support "traditional" marriage really hate the gays?

[scott]

Well, you can picket whomever you like. I couldn't care less about businesses being closed on Sunday but I made that point to show you how the individual franchise owners are buying in directly to ideals related to Christianity. There's no doubt that Chic Fil A's are closed on Sunday for religious reasons and not business reasons. They've bought into it and therefor I don't know how anyone can argue that we should be nice to individual stores because they're only franchises. That argument simply carries no weight with me.

The franchise owners are buying into a brand that makes them profits, and the only way to obtain those profits is by following the rule to be closed on Sunday. I don't think it's the equivalent of "buying in directly to ideals related to Christianity". In reality, they are buying into ideals related to putting money in their pocket, and any Christian ideology is secondary, at best.

[MannyIsGod]

For the record, I think Manny is taking it too far too.

Chick-Fil-A corporate has the right to say/believe/donate anyway they want. And to say that donating to an traditional marriage/anti-gay cause is equivalent to denying rights for gays is a bit of a stretch.

Chick-Fil-A, by proxy of the groups they donate to, may eventually influence policymakers, but let us not ever lose site of the fact that legislators and legislators alone will be the ones who ultimately deny the rights of citizens (subject to the oversight of the Supreme Court).

I don't see how thats a stretch. I disagree with your second paragraph, though. I think everyone who lobbies the policy maker sure as plays a pivotal role in the legislation that goes through. Its not just the guy or girl casting the vote.

[scott]

McDonalds is selling the out of their Southern Chicken Sandwich.
Product absolutely rules.

You have a point about beliefs being part of a company's branding. But beliefs <> product.

Is that really the example you want to use? You don't think it might have something to do with McDonald's reputation and marketing clout?

How do you think "Teysha's Southern Chick'n Sandwiches" would fare?

[MannyIsGod]

I agree Scott.

My view is that bullies just have to find reasons to justify being bullies.

This seals it. You can all anoint me winner. Thanks

[scott]

I don't see how thats a stretch. I disagree with your second paragraph, though. I think everyone who lobbies the policy maker sure as plays a pivotal role in the legislation that goes through. Its not just the guy or girl casting the vote.

That's like saying because you bought a ticket to a Spurs game, you were responsible for them winning a championship.

At the end of the day, the Spurs were responsible for their championship, and the Legislator is responsible for the vote they cast. By spreading the guilt around, you effectively absolve the Legislator of their full responsibility... which leads to the kind of cluster we are in now.

For example, we put all this emphasis on what Grover Norquist makes the Republicans pledge. But you know what? If voters disagree, they could just pin the blame where it belongs - the legislator who signed the pledge - and vote them out.

[MannyIsGod]

How many companies would be left standing if we shut down every business whose owner, CEO, or board of directors had, what was until very recently, a mainstream position (even among Democrats)?

And do people that support "traditional" marriage really hate the gays?

When support of traditional marriage includes actively campaigning against gay rights then yes. I support traditional marriage, but I also support anyone getting married. WTF do I care?

Thats what makes this so ing horrible to me. People are spending vast sums of money to DENY others rights that have NO bearing on their lives. Its ing disgusting.

[MannyIsGod]

That's like saying because you bought a ticket to a Spurs game, you were responsible for them winning a championship.

At the end of the day, the Spurs were responsible for their championship, and the Legislator is responsible for the vote they cast. By spreading the guilt around, you effectively absolve the Legislator of their full responsibility... which leads to the kind of cluster we are in now.

For example, we put all this emphasis on what Grover Norquist makes the Republicans pledge. But you know what? If voters disagree, they could just pin the blame where it belongs - the legislator who signed the pledge - and vote them out.

WOW, talk about a stretch. Its like saying if you gave the Spurs 5 million dollars so they could go over the cap then you were partially responsible for them winning a championship and you would be.

[MannyIsGod]

5 million dollars worth of lobbying =! a 60 buck Spurs ticket.

[boutons_deux]

"vote them out."

A few candidates said they wouldn't sign. Let's see if they get voted in. they will certainly get slimed as "tax raisers".

Most candidates sign or support the pledge, so voters often have no choice of pledger vs non-pledger.

[scott]

WOW, talk about a stretch.

Yes, they are both stretches. Glad you are catching on.

Its like saying if you gave the Spurs 5 million dollars so they could go over the cap then you were partially responsible for them winning a championship and you would be.

Do tickets not at all add up to millions of dollars?

Would this group disappear if Chick-Fil-A didn't donate to them?

Does this group still not rely upon legislator votes, regardless of what Chick-Fil-A gives them?

Can we not, for once, blame politicians for their own actions? The egg begets the chicken, ironically pun as it may be.

[scott]

5 million dollars worth of lobbying =! a 60 buck Spurs ticket.

The part of the statement you've honed in on =! the one that is relevant.

[MannyIsGod]

All my ticket purchases definitely do not add up to 5 million dollars. I'm not absolving the politicians for their own actions at all, Scott. I'm saying there's more than enough blame to go around.

[Blake]

This seals it. You can all anoint me winner. Thanks

[scott]

Chick-Fil-A donating $5 million has no more denied rights to gays than Jeff Bezos/Amazon donating $2.5 million has granted rights to gays.

[DarrinS]

When support of traditional marriage includes actively campaigning against gay rights then yes. I support traditional marriage, but I also support anyone getting married. WTF do I care?

Thats what makes this so ing horrible to me. People are spending vast sums of money to DENY others rights that have NO bearing on their lives. Its ing disgusting.

Meh, I just don't care enough either way to go to an "appreciation day" or a boycott. I don't identify product with political ideology.

[Indazone]

This will hurt Chik-Fil-A financially about as much as gun sales after Aurora.

[MannyIsGod]

Chick-Fil-A donating $5 million has no more denied rights to gays than Jeff Bezos/Amazon donating $2.5 million has granted rights to gays.

Disagree.

[MannyIsGod]

Meh, I just don't care enough either way to go to an "appreciation day" or a boycott. I don't identify product with political ideology.

You might care more if you were the one who's rights were being denied.

[scott]

Disagree.

Well, we are all allowed to have our own opinions. It's just important in the end that we all recognize that mine are the right ones.

[TeyshaBlue]

Is that really the example you want to use? You don't think it might have something to do with McDonald's reputation and marketing clout?

How do you think "Teysha's Southern Chick'n Sandwiches" would fare?

Please make out your check to Teysha' s Southern Chicken Sandwich Capitlization Fund.

Thx.

[scott]

Please make out your check to Teysha' s Southern Chicken Sandwich Capitlization Fund.

Thx.

Wiring it over ASAP. The key is 3 pickles.

[TeyshaBlue]

Absolutely!

*patents 3-Pickle Combo*

[MannyIsGod]

I agree Scott.

My view is that bullies just have to find reasons to justify being bullies.

Well, we are all allowed to have our own opinions. It's just important in the end that we all recognize that mine are the right ones.

Evidence is not in your favor. If one were to make a graph by plotting WC agreement by instances of correctness it would not be pretty.