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    If I were Romney, and I know that I am not liked by many voters, including within my own party, I stay focused on pissing people off with the economy, en lements and unemployment. Anger inspires more than reason.
    Problem is, Willard pisses his own base off with his ever-changing views and the fact that he's basically McCain 2.0.... he also pisses everyone else off with his snobby trust fund brat demeanor and refusal to release his tax returns.... he just isn't likeable, and I think that if he tries too hard to be likeable, it might turn out even worse for him.....

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    I get what you are saying and if we lived in a society where people really educated themselves instead of waiting for 30 second sound bites I would agree with everything you said. Sadly, people, or at least the media that most people inform themselves with, is more interested in taking clips like "you didn't built that" and "I like to fire people" and turing them into policy.

    If I were Romney, and I know that I am not liked by many voters, including within my own party, I stay focused on pissing people off with the economy, en lements and unemployment. Anger inspires more than reason.
    But like you said - the undecideds are undecided because they are capable of weighing evidence.

    Romney and Obama both have about 40% of the vote locked up, respectively. The battle is for that last 20%, who presumably will weigh the evidence, and be less swayed by attack ads, whatever happens to be in them.

    With that said, I agree with you and I am skeptical of how many of that 20% would actually weigh the evidence. I fully admit that I consider political strategy with the bias of what appeals to me (thus why I have certain opinions of what Romney should do).

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    So it's a "You did it first!" defense? Gotcha.
    No sir. That might be your mentality but that's not mine. I don't know why politicians or anyone for that matter don't go the easy and obvious route that leave folks like you "amazed". I'm saying they all do this. Got it? God bless

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    Problem is, Willard pisses his own base off with his ever-changing views and the fact that he's basically McCain 2.0.... he also pisses everyone else off with his snobby trust fund brat demeanor and refusal to release his tax returns.... he just isn't likeable, and I think that if he tries too hard to be likeable, it might turn out even worse for him.....
    That is my point. He is not going to make people like him. He is a rich New Englander with a car garage elevator. He is LeBron James without the basketball skill. No one really likes him.

    But what many people hate more than Mitt Romney is a bad economy, 8.2% unemployment, food stamps that can buy sugar cookies at Valero and Obamacare. That is the only argument Romney can make to win this election. He is not going to outcool Obama and he is certainly not going to policy his way into the white house.

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    That is my point. He is not going to make people like him. He is a rich New Englander with a car garage elevator.
    Painting Obama as an evil economy ruiner implies that Willard is a less evil, more likeable candidate, tbh.... that just isn't going to work because he's so transparent, people see right through his bull .....

    But what many people hate more than Mitt Romney is a bad economy, 8.2% unemployment, food stamps that can buy sugar cookies at Valero and Obamacare.
    They also hate paying high taxes.... Willard proposed so many tax hikes as Massachusetts governor that the DEMOCRATS got annoyed and started voting against them....

    Furthermore, it's already well-known that Romneycare was pretty much the template for Obamacare, so his attacks on that don't really mean much.....

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    Guilty until proven innocent. I like it.
    Of course you like it, birther.

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    His message might be simplistic but it is the most effective tool that he has and that is that the economy sucks and Obama's policies have failed. Most independent voters can get behind this over releasing a tax return.
    I just don't buy this when it comes to the independents/center. While I don't think the taxes drama weights much over them either, I doubt he can just coast to a win with near-zero policy proposals on how he's going to change the economy.

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    Of course you like it, birther.
    You must share clambake's belief that accusations become truth by repe ion.

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    You must share clambake's belief that accusations become truth by repe ion.
    you bring it up all the time without even noticing.

    it used to be calculated......now its just normal.

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    I'm someone who hears that phrase and think that. If he could explain what exactly is the "rich" fair shair, but of course he wont. He's a politician. I would love to see him actually come up with some budget cuts (besides his favorite target-military) in the same breathe as tax raises. Then again Obamacare is the largest tax increase in American history.
    When you speak in talking points, it makes you look like an even bigger tool than you already are.

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    I think Obama has pretty clearly explained the what he thinks the "fair share" is: 39.6% on marginal income over $250,000.

    You can agree or disagree, but to say "he won't explain" says you aren't paying attention.
    He has spoke in different times about not extending the Bush cuts and saying the rich need to pay their fair share.

    death tax.
    buffet tax
    etc.
    The bush tax cuts are completely different towards all his other general talks about raising taxes. He has been doing this, I think, to test the waters

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    So, it appears Romney fired back at Reid during a Hannity radio interview. Reid successfully draws Romney into another battle that has nothing to do with the economy. Not sure why he would bother to engage Reid directly and add more fuel to this fire, particularly if he has no intention of releasing further tax returns.

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    Harry Reid's Brilliant Move
    by TheNewDeal00


    I love the new, tough guy Harry Reid of late. I hope to see more of him and hope he is still majority leader after the elections.

    But this post is about a brilliant tactical move by Reid. It might not seem that way right now, but if you step outside of the situation and look in, it's brilliant.

    Mitt Romney refuses to release his tax returns.

    By doing so he is showing that he has something to hide, which causes people to speculate. The evil you don't know is always worse than the evil you know and our curiosity and imagination is usually more fabricated than the actual thing itself.

    It is obvious that for some reason Romney would rather get the bad press and speculation for not releasing his returns than get the bad press for releasing whatever is in them.

    Harry Reid said that someone from Bain Capital had told him that Romney won't release the returns because he hasn't payed taxes in a decade. He said that it was an 'extremely credible source', but at this moment we don't know who it is.

    I think it is true. It wouldn't shock me one bit if Romney hasn't paid taxes in a decade. The rich not paying taxes is not an uncommon thing these days. Reid didn't slip up or gaff, I think he picked this fight on purpose.

    Let's put aside the debate over if it is true or not and just focus on the effect.

    What happened after Reid made this claim?

    1. The charge that Mitt may not have paid taxes for a decade made headlines all over America.

    2. Reminded people that Mitt still has not released his returns and recharged the demand to see them, which was starting to fade a bit.

    3. It's forcing Romney to defend these charges while still withholding the very do ents that could clear his name and splat egg in all our faces if they are clean.

    But most importantly, this is defining Romney as a tax dodger. This issue is getting away from him by his own inaction on releasing his returns.

    If he does not release his returns and clear this up, I promise you this will not go away. Reid's claim will become the unofficial truth until Mitt can prove otherwise. And if Reid presents his source and it checks out... it's game over for Romney. I hope he does, but if he doesn't it will weaken Reid's claim in the long run, but Romney will be a tax dodger until he can prove otherwise.


    Some people would call this a dirty trick. I highly disagree. Besides, as far as the right goes, I refuse to get lectured about campaign ethics from a party that demanded Obama's birth certificate because he's black. This is fair game.

    The right is trying to spin this by saying that Reid threw a charge at Romney and since he won't disprove it, we are saying he must be guilty. Claiming that by our logic, they could accuse Reid of being a unicorn rapist and since we can't disprove it, Reid is guilty.

    If Reid was repeatedly asked to release his criminal record and relentlessly refused, I could understand the speculation. It would appear that Reid was hiding something.

    But we are not throwing slanderous accusations at Romney. He has been asked over and over to release his tax returns like every other presidential candidate and he won't do it. He has no good reason or excuse for why he won't do it. This is not a special case, we aren't asking to see his long form birth certificate or anything. I don't think that wondering if a guy running for President and refusing to show tax returns may not have paid his taxes is a radical thought.

    If Romney can't provide proof that he paid his taxes like every candidate does, people will speculate and wonder why not. They will wonder what he's hiding. You can call it politics, but in this case I think it's just human nature. We don't like being lied to and patronized. When we know people are hiding something from us, we imagine what it might be.

    So basically, Reid put Romney between a rock and a hard place...

    Not release his tax returns and allow the speculation to continue and grow or release them or take the backlash for whatever it is he's hiding?

    Harry Reid has put this issue back on the forefront and made it much harder for Romney to shake the Etch-a-Stetch on this.
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...Brilliant-Move

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    He has spoke in different times about not extending the Bush cuts and saying the rich need to pay their fair share.

    death tax.
    buffet tax
    etc.
    The bush tax cuts are completely different towards all his other general talks about raising taxes. He has been doing this, I think, to test the waters
    In the same way he is coming after everyone's guns?

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    He made his decision not to. I think he would look weak if he did now. I also think that sooner or later, if not already, will start making Obama look bad for still focusing on the same minor issue. Especially if another bad economic report comes out.
    That's what people said about Obama's birth certificate. God bless

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    "focusing on the same minor issue"

    minor

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    Brother, it's minor. IRS doesn't play around. Obama is the president, he will make sure if Romney was doing something wrong the IRS will pounce. Positive energy, brother. God bless

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    It's not about the legality of Mitt's taxes. This isn't going away and Mitt's polling numbers are taking a pounding. At this point he needs to hope for another economic crash or a huge Obama scandal. Otherwise he is probably done.

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    Brother, it's minor. IRS doesn't play around. Obama is the president, he will make sure if Romney was doing something wrong the IRS will pounce. Positive energy, brother. God bless
    Gecko NoWhereMan is all you've got, and he stinks.

    The tax evasion/avoidance industry financed by the 1% has a much higher budget and talent pool than the IRS. The IRS is great for ing over the 99%, but is no match for the 1% tax avoiders/evaders.

    Until Gecko comes clean, vets himself financially, with 10+ years of tax returns, the assumption is that, and he knows it, financial transparency would be suicidal for his Pres campaign. iow, if he's got nothing to hide, then show it. But he's got plenty to hide.
    Last edited by boutons_deux; 08-03-2012 at 02:13 PM.

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    It's not about the legality of Mitt's taxes. This isn't going away and Mitt's polling numbers are taking a pounding. At this point he needs to hope for another economic crash or a huge Obama scandal. Otherwise he is probably done.
    You might be looking at this too closely. It does not matter. The big picture is economy, healthcare. Warmongering and murder should come Into play but we know the media has been manipulated. Obama doesn't have morals, humility, pride, common sense, etc.... This vote will be about money. God bless
    Last edited by jack sommerset; 08-03-2012 at 10:24 AM.

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    Can't some anaon, hack the IRS and release these tax returns wiki-leak style?

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    Gecko NoWhereMan is all you've got, and he stinks.

    The tax evasion/avoidance industry financed by the 1% has a much higher budget and talent pool than the IRS. The IRS is great for ing over the 99%, but is not match for the 1% tax avoiders/evaders.

    Until Gecko comes clean, vets himself financially, with 10+ years of tax returns, the assumption is that, and he knows it, financial transparency would be suicidal for his Pres campaign. iow, if he's got nothing to hide, then show it. But he's got plenty to hide.
    Brother, you are wrong. Repugs and democraps care about all the ankle biting. The people who decide on presidential elections, the independents they care about bigger issues like economy, war, unemployment, The new healthcare law not 99 percent of the junk you post. Don't be mad at me, brother. God bless

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    Can't some anaon, hack the IRS and release these tax returns wiki-leak style?
    Honestly, what on earth do you think is on his tax sheet? Write offs for hookers? It's silly. If he is breaking laws, the IRS will catch him. God bless

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    Good for him if he didnt pay as much taxes as the dems wanted him to. That's one of the differences with repugs and dems. One group wants everyone to pay more the other doesn't. Shocking news! God bless

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    don't you worry, jack. your overlords will protect you.

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