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    The Legend Grows da_suns_fan's Avatar
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    I like Nolan a lot, but theres plenty wrong with Rises, including what DSF posted above, and continued here: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/?a=64971

    That said, I enjoyed the movie in spite of the flaws, but some of the weaker elements definitely undercut the overall. Bane, despite his look, wasn't maximized or well written at all, especially his ultimate objective as a mere henchman or his demise.
    Heres a really good one from your link:

    35. Also during this fight scene, Bane gives lines that is misdirection to lead the audience to think Bane is the child born in the pit despite the fact that he isn't He has no reason to lie to Batman at this point regardless he says to Batman after Batman makes the lights go out, "I didn't see the sunlight until I was a man." We know this isn't true because he wasn't born in the pit prison. Talia was born in the pit prison. It almost makes it feel like they got halfway through filming before deciding that Marion Cotillard was going to be a bad guy in a sudden twist ending.
    Read more at http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/?...3oYoaF9hw2D.99

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    No, Nolan did not. He gave several hints that Bruce Wayne was alive. The only people who think the ending is ambiguous are morons.
    Fine, but you still didnt answer why Wayne wants to "cut his ties to Gotham".

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    And another good one:

    47. Bruce Wayne could barely walk without his robo-legs in the beginning of the movie from cartilage wearing out. This isn't something that heals all by itself. After he is stripped of his gear and thrown into the prison he seemingly has no troubles walking after a couple months of recovery. We are shown his robo-legs were taken when he is doing the exercises in shorts later in the prison scenes.
    Read more at http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/?...3oYoaF9hw2D.99

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    Batman the moron!!!

    56. Batman's blind trust for a woman who stole his mothers pearls, stole his car, tricked him into a trap that resulted in his back broken, ending up in a prison in the middle east, and almost killed.
    Read more at http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/?...3oYoaF9hw2D.99

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    rofl a whole thread dedicated to saving face after this debacle...

    I remember him blowing himself out of jail...thats about it.
    I remember the scene with the ferries

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    Lol you're seriously crying about how fast he healed? Who gives a ...it's a super hero movie...do you go into every movie expecting 100% reality? Thats a pretty jaded way to go about what is supposed to be a fun experience and an escape for a few hours from your own boring and ty life.

    You're wondering why Wayne wants to leave Gotham? Were you paying attention? He flat out tells Alfred that there's nothing here for him since rachaels death.

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    even though I loved the movie still lots of TRUTHBOMBS all in this thread about how silly parts of it are. Nolan fanboys are just as bad as the Apple sheep.

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    That was one of my favorites...

    Biggest plot hole was that the physicist had only hypothesized the device could be a bomb, but in less than 30 seconds with the unfamiliar device, tinkering with it with a gun to his head, all of a sudden it's everything he feared it could be. More over, he had to know as the only man who could disarm it that he'd be killed after arming it, so why arm it and be responsible for 20 million deaths?

    I could enjoy it because no matter how "real" it's still a comic movie, but there was enough disappointment to understand "sucks" arguments, and enough plot holes for me to even agree at times.

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    You make great points actually.

    Nobody's answered my question about why a little boy with an accent is singing the national anthem. He's obviously from another country.
    It's not an accent. He pronounces the words as trained choral singers do. Any boys choir would sing the anthem the same way.

    This is actually true. That was just a nitpick. But the larger plot hole was that he needed a respirator to LIVE despite living okay all bandaged up in the prison.
    The respirator is not needed to live, it's needed to suppress intense physical pain. This is mentioned, clearly and specifically, by several different characters at several different points throughout the film.

    Heres a really good one from your link:
    35. Also during this fight scene, Bane gives lines that is misdirection to lead the audience to think Bane is the child born in the pit despite the fact that he isn't He has no reason to lie to Batman at this point regardless he says to Batman after Batman makes the lights go out, "I didn't see the sunlight until I was a man." We know this isn't true because he wasn't born in the pit prison. Talia was born in the pit prison. It almost makes it feel like they got halfway through filming before deciding that Marion Cotillard was going to be a bad guy in a sudden twist ending.
    That's not a good one. The twist makes clear that Bane wasn't the kid who escaped, that he was in fact taken out of the prison as an adult, but there's absolutely nothing in the reveal to suggest he wasn't also born there or that he hadn't spent most/all of his early life in the prison. If whoever ran the prison would have thrown a woman in there to serve someone else's sentence, who's to say they wouldn't also throw a kid in prison to do the same? This would fit Bane's comic book origin.

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    Much of the linked list is rubbish, for the record. Hard to take anyone seriously when one of their complaints--that there's no time Bane could have gotten hold of Gordon's letter about Dent--is based on the fact we don't see Bane take the letter from Gordon when he's brought into the sewer, even though we very clearly see Bane take the letter from Gordon when he's brought into the sewer.

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    I don't think anybody here is denying that this film has plot holes. However, a lot of this is da_suns_fan just ing about Nolan.

    And on Inception, what's wrong with a movie about dreams having an "is the protagonist still dreaming" ending?

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    I don't think anybody here is denying that this film has plot holes.
    Agreed.

    However, a lot of this is da_suns_fan just ing about Nolan.
    And doing so apparently completely unaware that blind hatred is every bit as stupid as blind worship.

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    Agreed.



    And doing so apparently completely unaware that blind hatred is every bit as stupid as blind worship.
    There-there now...it will be alright, the sun will rise again in the east and Nolan will carry on- one way or another.

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    Much of the linked list is rubbish, for the record. Hard to take anyone seriously when one of their complaints--that there's no time Bane could have gotten hold of Gordon's letter about Dent--is based on the fact we don't see Bane take the letter from Gordon when he's brought into the sewer, even though we very clearly see Bane take the letter from Gordon when he's brought into the sewer.
    It was excessively nitpicky, and even inaccurate at times, but some valid story or character flaws/issues are brought up.

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    The real issue here is that it probably took 15 minutes to write this. That's 15 minutes where you could've been doing anything else.

    I'm not saying you should commit suicide but if the possibility of discontinuing your existence were to become available it might not be a terrible idea to capitalize on it

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    I don't think anybody here is denying that this film has plot holes. However, a lot of this is da_suns_fan just ing about Nolan.

    And on Inception, what's wrong with a movie about dreams having an "is the protagonist still dreaming" ending?
    Because its a gimmicky way to create buzz about the film to generate more money.

    "We'll use an over-the-top ambiguous ending and maybe people will pay to see it again and again to try and figure it out".

    Nothings wrong with having an ambiguous ending. "American Psycho" essentially does the exact same thing (did he REALLY kill those people or was it in his head) without losing its integrity. Youre not suppose to know if its real because Patrick Bateman doesnt know if its real.

    But when you cut to a spinning top and then go to credits simply to put that question out there for the sake of doing it, then youre just selling yourself out. Just more ty writing from Nolan.

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    How is that over the top? It makes perfect sense to have the "was it a dream" ending IN A MOVIE ABOUT DREAMS. That was a large part of the movie.

    Jesus Christ, you're stupid.

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    That's not a good one. The twist makes clear that Bane wasn't the kid who escaped, that he was in fact taken out of the prison as an adult, but there's absolutely nothing in the reveal to suggest he wasn't also born there or that he hadn't spent most/all of his early life in the prison. If whoever ran the prison would have thrown a woman in there to serve someone else's sentence, who's to say they wouldn't also throw a kid in prison to do the same? This would fit Bane's comic book origin.
    Nonsense. The film goes over the top with the ambiguities ("a child" instead of "a boy" or "a girl") to try and create misdirection. Now you want us to believe that TWO children born in this prison?!!!

    Whoa! Didnt see that coming!

    Give me a break. Its just ty writing.

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    How is that over the top? It makes perfect sense to have the "was it a dream" ending IN A MOVIE ABOUT DREAMS. That was a large part of the movie.

    Jesus Christ, you're stupid.
    The film goes over the top to create different layers of dreams within dreams.

    Theres no point for the final scene except to throw in a quick "maybe the whole thing is a dream" for no apparent reason. Theres nothing leading up to that scene to indicate the entire film takes place in a dream. Like i said, its just a quick gimmick to throw in at the end to create buzz.

    And idiots like you eat it up. Congratulations.

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    the entire movie built up to that. Mal not knowing whether she was dreaming or not was a huge part of the plot. There was also the part where Cobb spins his totem, but he is interrupted before he sees whether it falls or not.

    The ending makes perfect sense in the context of the movie. Your irrational hatred has made you completely re ed. You about stupid .

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    the entire movie built up to that. Mal not knowing whether she was dreaming or not was a huge part of the plot. There was also the part where Cobb spins his totem, but he is interrupted before he sees whether it falls or not.

    The ending makes perfect sense in the context of the movie. Your irrational hatred has made you completely re ed. You about stupid .


    You dont even realize how clueless you are. Go back and watch it again.

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    I have seen the movie several times. You're an idiot for ing about a "was it all a dream" ending in a movie that constantly brings that up.

    You're a blind hater. Period.

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    I have seen the movie several times. You're an idiot for ing about a "was it all a dream" ending in a movie that constantly brings that up.

    You're a blind hater. Period.
    Youre clueless that Mal killing herself wasnt ambiguity about whether the entire movie was a dream but rather used to show the dangers of using "Inception". He planted an idea in her mind and it ed her up.

    Go back in watch it again. You obviously didnt pay attention.

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    The real issue here is that it probably took 15 minutes to write this. That's 15 minutes where you could've been doing anything else.

    I'm not saying you should commit suicide but if the possibility of discontinuing your existence were to become available it might not be a terrible idea to capitalize on it

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    I DID pay attention, moron. Your argument is re ed, which should be expected from you, since you have made several re ed arguments on here.

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