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I really don't see any accurate predictions about Tyson Chandler in this thread, from anybody.
I do believe that they got him mainly for his expiring contract and not because of his play. He'd had injury problems and they had just inked Haywood to a big deal thinking he was going to be the answer at Center. Now I bet they're wishing Chandler was still under contract and they didn't have to pay him.
Who would have thought Mark and Donnie would be right all along: The Dust Chip did yield us the missing piece for a le.
I really don't see any accurate predictions about Tyson Chandler in this thread, from anybody.
So in looking back, me taking my time to really assess what is going on vs just raging into a terrible take (like some posters) allowed for me to see things differently. No one could have expected Tyson to have such a great year, but when you realize they bought themselves time and could have used him as trade bait (large expiring contract/big man), or they took a gamble that he could get back to form and help out.
Oh, hi there! So you didn't see a noticeable difference in some guys raging and saying there was no way this was good vs other posters saying it was a gamble, but there was potential and he did buy them extra time to do another trade if it doesn't work out?
This seems like a very accurate prediction about Tyson Chandler, imvho:
So a post when the Mavs were 23-5 with Tyson playing great basketball and every Mavs fan on this site already on the TC bandwagon somehow means you were right about Chandler?
At least we are talking basketball. I said they bought themselves time - I also said they took a risk (which obvious to anyone was understood what that risk was - that he works out and they dont need to trade him).
I didn't say he would for sure be traded - they did buy themselves more time and Tyson just worked out to where they didn't see the need (the risk they took paid off).
If you just stop and look back at this, it's a good exercise to see the type of basketball personality posters have and we can learn.
I stand corrected. That actually was accurate.
Can you answer the above?
Also, that post was just me expanding on the points that I made at the beginning. I wasn't "right" about Tyson Chandler in the sense that I said he would have some miraculous season. I was right however in seeing some of the logic behind the trade (explaining the Damp Chip was use it or lose it and that Tyson bought them essentially more time to look for trades. I also said they were taking a "risk" cleary stating that it wasn't likely he worked out as a player, but acknowledging it could happen).
So was M>S right or wrong entirely about the trade based on his initial reaction vs mine?
i believe i did drop several positive responses in this thread under the westacked troll, they put it on all-ignore list maybe so you don't see those posts
I never said M>S was right, he was obviously wrong.
that post did a lot more than "expand on points you made." You hadn't made any points about the Mavs going after Tyson for his interior defense until after he had provided dominant interior defense for 20+ games.
I guess using vague terms like "It's a risk!" so you can qualify what you meant by saying "It's a risk!" is a fool proof way of saying you were right.
Some people were clearly upset - other were just flat out completely wrong and didn't see any good or potential in the trade.
i think i was the only one who praised this deal on a tactical basis tbh, dallas got a significant upgrade at the center position which had long been their weakest link the years before, and "even though they didn't get a bigname like iggy, they got a defensive freak in TC who would do dem a lot more benefit than iggy or anyone would have"
no one thought this deal would turn out to be such a HUGE success, TC was limited at offensive end and also injury prone to some extent, but i knew it was really not a bad move imho.
mono pervaded the typical overall reactions from mavs fans at the time when the deal was just done, they thought they wasted the "DUST chip" and it was at finest a lateral move. mono's rant thread has been dug out of the dust many times IIRC tbh
I never said M>S was right, he was obviously wrong.
I guess using vague terms like "It's a risk!" so you can qualify what you meant by saying "It's a risk!" is a fool proof way of saying you were right.Good call. I used vague terms months in advance on the off chance Tyson Chandler turned the Mavs into contenders. Or, maybe when you look back and I made two clear distinct different types of posts (1 - they bought themselves more time/flexibility by getting an expiring contract, then 2 - that they were also taking a risk) that I feel it's not a stretch to infer with everyone talking about how he's been injured yada yada, that the risk part was somewhat implied.
I never said I was 100% right about Tyson - No one could have expected that. But are you honestly saying you see no difference in my approach and take (with me at least seeing how things could work out in favor of the Mavs) and Tyson's GNSF rant and melt down?
I know you and Tyson are good friends on here, but I am hoping you can answer that honestly.
He's been playing well for Team USA considering he's pretty much the only big out there
There is no vendetta. Just talking basketball on a very good topic IMO. You have some severe self-conscious thing going on apparently. You keep trying to drag others down vs just saying you were completely and utterly wrong with no even a little bit of right mixed in instead of just saying "I had an awful meltdown" and then just moving on IMO.
I'm just here to talk basetball. I'm not lowering myself to internet chats with other guys and throwing mud.
Your smack is being a shield for Tyson now - which is weird.
How was I wrong - where did I say the Mavs are f*cked or this cannot end well. Are you being obtuse on purpose or are you saying that because I said they bought themselves more time to look for another trade, then ended up not having to trade him that I was wrong because of that?
I never said they have to move him or they are screwed. I outlined the scenario amongst people melting down.
Man chat
I am not going to engage in personal insults with you. If you would like to keep discussing basketball, you will stop that immediately.
I don't want to have to roll up my sleeves and get nasty over the internet.
You outlined basically everything that could happen. You didn't take any particular stance one way or another. You basically said, "This could be a good trade for them or it could be a bad trade for them, or they could just be buying time!" and now you're scoffing someone who actually established a clear opinion rather than standoffishly hedge only to say, "Here's what I meant!" when the Mavs were 23-5.
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