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Trainwreck, you're missing my point. Is there any person that only believes in Jesus, but doesn't follow ANY OTHER tenets of faith? (Not one off things, but a person who believes in Jesus but in no way follows any other "Christian" tendencies?)
They believe in what ever they want. Belief <> Religion.
Trainwreck, you're missing my point. Is there any person that only believes in Jesus, but doesn't follow ANY OTHER tenets of faith? (Not one off things, but a person who believes in Jesus but in no way follows any other "Christian" tendencies?)
Actually it gives you two choices. Denial or disbelief. Options imply that you may be one or the other. there are many different roads to denial and disbelief.
Is it possible to not believe and still have an open mind?
Sure you do; you just haven't thought about it. You either believe, or don't believe, right? If there's a third
If you think aliens are possible, then you believe that they are possible. Therefore, you have a belief. And since one belief = a religion, you are now Ghostist.
Actually an interesting question if you're a believer, so no trolling.
Again, you don't quite know the exact terms of what agnostic/atheist means. I don't deny that there might be a God out there (agnostic) but that doesn't mean I have belief in that God (atheist).
In the same vein of thought, I don't know that there won't be some sort of Skynet that takes over the world in the next century, but I don't have a belief in that future.
No, I've thought about it. I have no opinion other than to say, with God, anything is possible; including Spaghetti Monsters.
Conflating the word believe with think doesn't make them synonymous.
Okay.Actually an interesting question if you're a believer, so no trolling.
Christians and Jews both believe in the OT, so no go there. I'm talking about someone who only believes that Jesus is real, but doesn't follow the Bible, doesn't go to church, doesn't believe in the 10 Commandments, etc etc. Usually those who believe in Jesus (or any other God) tend to believe a few other similar things. They don't have to believe every subset of a religion (they couldn't, because different versions argue about the "true" way) but most follow some form of baseline.
As an example: If you were to say, "What qualities does a successful person have?" some qualities that might be listed would be:
Lucky
Smart
Handsome
Talented
Rich
etc etc
That doesn't mean that every successful person contains every trait, but that a majority of people considered "successful" would probably have at least a few of these qualifiers.
So do you think God created a Flying Spaghetti Monster or not?
To atheists, they might as well be one and the same. I think you could ask 100 atheists and at least 95 of them would say the statements, "I think there is no God" and "I believe there is no God" would mean the exact same thing.
I have no idea.
Okay, so since they're not synonymous, if they say "think" do they mean "believe" or is it the other way around? Thinking God doesn't exist is an intellectual exercise subject to error. Believing God doesn't exist is a faith statement that cannot be proven.
So, it's up to you...really.
Are political parties religions by Bible-thumper logic? I mean, they ARE different groups that don't get along and subscribe to differing belief systems and moral codes, tbh...
I think most religions are represented in both of the major U.S. political parties.
Way to dodge my actual question, B....
By Bible-thumper logic, political parties would qualify as religions themselves, would they not?
I wasn't dodging it, it just wasn't clear.
I guess you'd have to ask a "Bible-thumper," But, personally, I don't think political parties qualify as religions since typically, one is not expected to adhere to its tenets (platform) but, instead, associates with it because of a general agreement with the party's ideals.
But, again, I'm not a "Bible-thumper."
Judaism is the one religion that is also a race, it's a unique scenario. Even though I don't believe in God and even though I think nearly all Jewish beliefs are bull , I have "Jewish Blood" if you will, and no belief will change that. Consequently, Jews for Jesus are people who have Jewish blood and believe in Jesus.
Either way, the belief that our Messiah has yet to arrive is a fundamental belief of Judaism. Someone who says he, "Believes Jesus is the Messiah but practices Judaism" is the same as someone saying, "I believe there is a god but I'm an atheist!"
Point being, Messianic Jews don't follow their Jewish faith by any stretch of the imagination.
Aren't you automatically a ghostist if you're a Christian though? You guys think the Holy Spirit would show up on the ghost hunter EMF detectors?
Only if He wants to...omnipotence.
Depends on what you mean by christian tendencies. Slave owners owned slaves and they did alot to them that damn sure weren't christian tendencies. The phelps guys say they believe in Jesus and they don't follow christian tendencies. There was a catholic church locally that had a secret mass for gays, not as a means of segregation but so they could practice their faith in an environment where they felt comfortable. They were upholding one christian tendency and ignoring another. If you go to church on a holiday you see alot more people then you would on a normal sunday. Many individual christians practice their faith differently. Tell me what you define as christian tendencies.
and yet belief is in the definition of religion you can't have religion without belief.
And if atheism isn't a religion then what is it besides a group of people that don't believe the same thing, but since they don't believe in something other people believe in it can't be called believing?
Atheism, regardless if it's a group of people doesn't have a set of rules, meetings (usually) etc. We are talking about religions that have the worst belief I thought
atheism and marxism, and whatever alike are not religions because they're not complete enough, they're like a fetus to a human tbh.
and i agree with most of u guys that religion is fine, it's the people who take it to an extreme extent that make it look bad. religion is no evil by itself imho
This is pretty easy, Islam. The Koran a blueprint for violence. Way too much violence there. When we see people who actually believe if they blow themselves up and take a few infidels with them they will arive in paradise a hero, something is wrong. When somebody thinks 72 virgins is a good thingI'd want experienced women.
Muhammad was a murderous tyrant, a pedophile. There was no encounter with the Angel Gabriel in a cave on the mountain, totally bogus.
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Just to be the devil's advocate I think a lot of the Koran isn't actually violent, it's just the extremists that take that out of it. Just like any extremist group. Personally if there's anything against Islam the main thing is how men are just so unquestionably supreme over women to the point men and women pray in different rooms...This is pretty easy, Islam. The Koran a blueprint for violence. Way too much violence there. When we see people who actually believe if they blow themselves up and take a few infidels with them they will arive in paradise a hero, something is wrong. When somebody thinks 72 virgins is a good thing
There are a ton of passages talking about violence towards non believers/infidels. Tons!!!!!!! Sorry but the Koran is very violent and it's not something taken out of context. It's very explicit, death to the infidels.Just to be the devil's advocate I think a lot of the Koran isn't actually violent, it's just the extremists that take that out of it. Just like any extremist group. Personally if there's anything against Islam the main thing is how men are just so unquestionably supreme over women to the point men and women pray in different rooms...
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