Sounds like cancer killed your father.
I was thinking something more "libertarian". Like the government making all illegals get spayed or neutered, deporting them all and shooting any of them who try to cross the border illegally.Amnesty them so they can start paying taxes and contributing. Of course, that would mean we should only amnesty those < 30...
Really my question is about stopping the current practice of just sweeping this issue under the rug. They're here and it costs a lot of money to treat them. We really do need to have the conversation about what services we're going to provide them and how those services will be paid for.
Yep. You'd think a free market solution that lowers costs for everyone and doesn't require any taxes or another govt bureaucracy would be the one thing that republicans and democrats could come together on, but no. Pretty sad really.
I'll bet your coat was nice and shiny.Or do what I did in college. Get meds from a veterinarian at about 20% the cost.
The same people punching the same bag.
That's every thread in this joint, DMC.
"free market solution that lowers costs for everyone and doesn't require any taxes or another govt bureaucracy"
there is no free market in health care
a free market would allow consumers to shop for best price, best reputation,
but there are essentially no published prices for health care procedures,
no "user groups" or forums to discuss "quality"/reputation,
and then there is the group insured person facing the FREE-MARKET in-network/out-network barriers.
employer insured don't have free choice of insurance plans (aka no compei ion).
And NONE of the above is govt bureaucracy, nor Yoni's beloved unions.
It's how the greedy FREE-MARKET FOR-PROFIT health care system optimizes its profits while minimizing product (health care) delivery. aka, the highest possible price for the tiest possible product.
Where govt did up is the dubya/ head REPUGS making a REGULATION that forbids US govt to negotiate as single-buyer with BigPharma and similar suppliers, so US health-care victims pay DOUBLE the drug prices paid in countries where the GOVT is the SINGLE BUYER.
I was thinking something more "libertarian". Like the government making all illegals get spayed or neutered, deporting them all and shooting any of them who try to cross the border illegally.
I've yet to see what the burden is from them on the healthcare system. Not suggesting they're not a burden or that they don't cost a lot of money, but it's hard to gauge the impact without knowing how much of a real problem it is.
There's more than the issue of importing generics. There's also the patents on drugs and medicine in general. Perhaps what needs to happen is the duration on such market-distortion policies needs to be shortened for healthcare products, or simply removed for products within the "basic care" package. There's simply many options, but none that BigPharma will be pleased with.
neat graphic: http://www.chcf.org/publications/201...z-hcc-national
via The Economist
http://www.realclearpolicy.com/artic...itals_659.htmlIn 1999, the Ins ute of Medicine published the famous "To Err Is Human" report, which dropped a bombs on the medical community by reporting that up to 98,000 people a year die because of mistakes in hospitals. The number was initially disputed, but is now widely accepted by doctors and hospital officials — and quoted ubiquitously in the media.
In 2010, the Office of Inspector General for Health and Human Services said that bad hospital care contributed to the deaths of 180,000 patients in Medicare alone in a given year.
Now comes a study in the current issue of the Journal of Patient Safety that says the numbers may be much higher — between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year who go to the hospital for care suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death, the study says.
That would make medical errors the third-leading cause of death in America, behind heart disease, which is the first, and cancer, which is second.
http://journals.lww.com/journalpatie...t_Harms.2.aspx
iow, the for-profit health care system is yet just another mortal threat to Americans that far outweighs the mortal threat from external enemies. It sounds like when Americans pay $3T/year for health care, they get the what they pay for: the tiest, mostly deadly capitalist product for the highest possible price.
Wow, I read the article and it provided both the best detailed summary of what's wrong with mixed market healthcare, and arguments against govt intervention, yet I saw the biggest dumb ass tools like Wild Cuckbra and Yonihole treat it as if it was a pro union- Michael Moore piece.
Good God, board Conservatives are freakin dumbasses.
Chump-dump was right all along.
These fockers don't read.
Drink Bleach
What's your problem? Get hit in the head and lose IQ points today? What is the purpose of your unwarranted attacks on me today?
Back to the Septis. I had an immediate dislike of the story because Septis IS NOT A HOSPITAL CAUSED INFECTION! The author starts out lying, so why should I believe any of his words?
link: Pneumonia and Sepsis
Look around the site. I ask you to learn what causes septis, youSepsis and septic shock can result from an infection anywhere in the body, including pneumonia.
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link: Definition of Sepsis
Definition of Sepsis
sep•sis (ˈsep-səs) n. Sometimes called blood poisoning, sepsis is the body's often deadly response to infection.
Medical professionals have been debating the exact definition of sepsis for decades. However, one thing they can agree upon is the origin of the disease. The word sepsis comes from the Greek meaning “decay” or “to putrefy.” In medical terms, sepsis is defined as either “the presence of pathogenic organisms or their toxins in the blood and tissues” or “the poisoned condition resulting from the presence of pathogens or their toxins as in septicemia.”
Patients are given a diagnosis of sepsis when they develop clinical signs of infections or systemic inflammation; sepsis is not diagnosed based on the location of the infection or by the name of the causative microbe. Physicians draw from a list of signs and symptoms in order to make a diagnosis of sepsis, including abnormalities of body temperature, heart rate, respiratory rate, and white blood cell count. Sepsis may be diagnosed in a 72-year-old man with pneumonia, fever, and a high white blood count, and in a 3-month-old with appendicitis, low body temperature, and a low white count.
Sepsis is defined as severe when these findings occur in association with signs of organ dysfunction, such as hypoxemia, oliguria, lactic acidosis, elevated liver enzymes, and altered cerebral function. Nearly all victims of severe sepsis require treatment in an intensive care unit for several days or weeks. While most cases of sepsis are associated with disease or injury, many events follow routine, even elective surgery.
More frightening is that sepsis can rage in response to incidents as seemingly benign as a playground scrape or a nicked cuticle from the beauty parlor. American hospitals spend approximately $20 billion each year combating sepsis, 40% of patients diagnosed with severe sepsis do not survive. Until a cure for sepsis is found, early detection is the surest hope for survival.
Siemens called and asked you to actually read up on the subject.
http://www.healthcare.siemens.com/cl...efining-sepsis
nfection site Example
Lungs
Viral or bacterial pneumonia
Abdomenb
Acute appendicitis (rupture risk)
Gastrointestinal disorders (can allow leakage of intestinal bacteria into the abdomen)
Peritonitis (infection of the abdominal cavity),
Pancrea is
Gallbladder or liver infections
Postsurgical infections
Trauma
Urinary tractc
Bladder infection
Kidney infection
Temporary or indwelling catheter (for bladder drainage)
Skin
Skin wounds
Skin inflammation
Cellulitis (inflammation of the skin's connective tissue)
Intravenous (IV) catheters (tubes inserted into the body to administer or drain fluids)
Central nervous system
Viral or bacterial meningitis
Viral or bacterial encephalitis
Cardiovascular system
Infectious endocarditis
Ischemia (inadequate blood supply) resulting in infection, leading to gangrene
Septicemia (blood infection)
I almost lost my brother to both sepsis and later to a staph infection as a direct result of hip surgery.
So yeah, sepsis can be a hospital caused infection. You are demonstrably wrong again. Let the obfuscation begin.
First off I'll say I didn't read that entire article, and just skimmed over the comments that followed. I think the confusion about sepsis arises from the fact that the author and many think that sepsis is an infection. Sepsis is a condition caused by an infection. That infection may be hospital borne or acquired outside of the hospital, but in either case could lead to sepsis if not treated in a timely manner or as in hospital borne infections, the patient is already in a compromised state.
It's funny to me that the author touts the 2001 checklist of Dr. Pronovost as the answer to the prevention of hospital borne infection related sepsis, when that checklist has been the minimal standard of care at least since I was in nursing school late 80's and early 90's. That doctor turned around a negligent hospital by enforcing what they should have been doing all along anyway; and even the most stringent hospitals have infection control issues----what can one expect with a building full of sick, infected people? Keeping sterile/isolation conditions for every patient may be the answer, but certainly wouldn't be cost effective or profitable. As the author pointed out, he is a business man not a healthcare professional. And that in itself is part of the problem----healthcare is delivered by healthcare professionals, the healthcare industry is run by businessmen.
Yeah, I was just couching the response in WC's own terms. I figured his head would asplode if I mentioned it was a result of the intersection of SIRS and an infection.
Think as you like. The response Mrs Maalox gave is pretty close to my thoughts. He goes in for pneumonia with is of the leading causes to a septic reaction. There is no evidence that the reaction was the fault of the hospital. Only that he was in the hospital.Yeah, I was just couching the response in WC's own terms. I figured his head would asplode if I mentioned it was a result of the intersection of SIRS and an infection.
Here's what I think, re . You stated Then I slapped you with facts.
lol
and lo ingl at "leading causes". Holy !
He just think you're a moron. You can add another one to the tally. No one is interested in researching your bull for you.
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