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I've now concluded Yoni's intolerant religion is the worst.
Whatever religion that might be.
I still don't get how "atheism is a religion so there" is supposed to be a valid counterargument or an insult, tbh.... evangelicals don't realize that a.) they're wrong, and b.) atheists don't give a about what evangelicals' flawed definition of "religion" is....
I've now concluded Yoni's intolerant religion is the worst.
Whatever religion that might be.
I think they're trying to convince themselves that the belief god doesn't exist is just as much faith-based as the belief that god does exist.
I also don't get how its supposed to be an insult either. They're basically saying, "Well, I know religion is stupid and irrational, but you're just as religious as I am! ha!"
Until you came along no one had lumped agnostics and the rest into atheism.
Whatever you want to call it; if, as an article of faith, you deny the existence of God, that's a religion.
Again, not what I said. I suggested that if the freedom to express religion, enshrined in our Cons ution, bother the atheists, they should consider starting their own country.
They're certainly free to stay and I never said I want them to leave because they don't believe in God. After all, that their expression of religion.
No, if you are identified by believing a deity does not exist, you're a religion.
Santa's not a deity.
I've never said they weren't.
I've answered the question. I can't help that it doesn't satisfy you.
Why would I want to do that?
I get what you're saying and, yes, I was imprecise. Agnosticism and the rest that do not claim a deity but, stop short of saying there is no deity, are generally classified as atheists.
But, this construct didn't get raised until later in the thread, long after I stated that it was believing God doesn't exist that made atheism a religion. Not knowing whether or not there is a God, wasn't considered in my posts and yes, that is a irreligious position to hold.
So, let me rephrase; the atheists who hold the belief that God does not exist cons utes a religion.
Sure they are.
No, I'm saying if anyone claims, as an article of faith, there is or isn't a deity, is part of a religion.Are you trying to say that anyone that makes a guess at something is part of a religion?
What's intolerant about my religion, whatever it is?
It is; couldn't have put it better myself.
It wasn't meant to be an insult and your characterization is wrong.
Anyone who believes the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist also cons utes a religion in your book.
Here comes some kind of comeback about how you don't believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist.
If the person proposes a positive disbelief rather than mere suspension of belief, in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, absolutely.
Personally, I have no position on the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. With God, anything's possible.
I guess you could say that is what I did but, are there people who seriously believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a deity?
So... going back to that three headed centipede deity living in your crotch... can you definitely prove he doesn't exist? Or are you just saying so as an article of faith?
Seems like a foolish way to live. By your logic, you can't admit that the three headed centipede scrotum deity doesn't exist, because then you'd be a member of a Non-Centipedism religion. You have to allow for the possibility of a three-headed centipede scrotum deity. How dumb is that?
Of course not, but that doesn't matter for the purposes of the discussion. It's an obvious hypothetical.
It's amazing the stupid stuff people will say to suit their argument
pretending you don't have a positive disbelief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster
The fact that no one believes in the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't make a disbelief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster any less of a religion according to your definition.
Unless of course you're about to add an aditional qualification to what religion is.
True. You just think they should leave.
I've asked twice if the god of the bible is the one you believe in.I've answered the question. I can't help that it doesn't satisfy you.
I'll ask a third time: is it?
I'm betting you'll pussy out again. Jesus will be ashamed.
You think atheists should start their own country.
You are obviously very intolerant of this ”religion”.
You athiest's can stop talking now. Jesus revealed himself wednesday so the debate is over.
What does anyone gain by being an atheist?
I don't know but they do always get to eat the whole tortilla.
If you're joining a religion for the benefits, I think you're joining for the wrong reasons.
Also, you're using Pascal's Wager, which is a logical fallacy. You guys really need to study up on those.
Umm no again you fail in understanding the english language for the purposes of making a circular argument.
Lets break the word atheism down into its parts. First lets look at 'theism:'
the·ism (thzm)
n.
Belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in a personal God as creator and ruler of the world.
Now lets look at the prefix 'a:'
Prefix Dictionary – A
a- or an- [Greek a- and an- un-, non-] Negative, not (abiotic, acaulescent, acephalia, aphasia, asexual, atrophy, anorexia). Note: a- is used before consonants other than h (and sometimes even before h); before vowels, and usually before h, an- is used.
Now lets put the two together
NOT Belief in the existence of a god or gods.
You are trying to build assert a positive, ie what they do believe, from them denying a belief.
If I say something is not a man that does not mean automatically that they are a woman.
atheism just menas you do not believe in god. nothing more and nothing less. quit trying to add to the definition so you can demonize. your religion has enough about devils and fire as it is.
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