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Kobe, shortly after the trade was made official:
I'm not reading the entire thread but has the name Phill Jackson been brought up?
Kobe, shortly after the trade was made official:
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Matt Barnes, Sasha, Jordan... super talent.
Spurs the only team Daryl Morey hoodwinked, tbh
this is a fair point. i'm shocked at how bad some of the ownership is in the NBA. I suppose a lot of the owners don't care about winning and just want a cut of the big markets revenue.
best decision Kobe ever made, besides hiring his legal defense for his rape trial, was ing out of the Charlotte draft and going to the premiere organization in the NBA. they've given him almost everything he could have asked for, I can't think of any other modern NBA player who has been as hooked up.
they should either contract some of the teams or finally introduce a hard cap, but I don't see either one happening.
If you're a Lakers fan, I think you'd have to appreciate how the Buss has fairly treated their best players throughout the years. Magic, Kobe, KAJ etc. If Shaq wasn't such a bag, I'm pretty sure he'll have a significant role with the Lakers right now.
The dude played Robin to one of the most dominant players of all time during a weak era of basketball. Of course they were going to dominate and win a few championships. It's actually a stain on both their careers that they didn't win more. He then continually gets gifted players through all sorts of bs (gasol trade, fisher using his daughter's illness as leverage, dwight howard deal, etc) and suddenly he's some self made badass? Look at how he looks out there with team usa, look at how he was exposed last year. Dude's just a talented chucker who's game only translates to wins whenever the talent level of his team is severely lopsided. When he had a team, he tanked on purpose and quit.
lucky and unlucky imho, he definitely got better luck than some other world-class talents like t-mac who played most of their careers on ty teams, however, none of kobe's 5 rings is considered one that's primarily owed to his own efforts. he was named finals MVP of the last 2 but we all know he wouldn't have won w/o gasol playing alongside, he never won a ring as the only superstar on his team.
unlike dirk
By accident
there's a balancing act here...He's also played with with:
Kwame Brown
Chris Mihm
Brian Cook *aka* cookie
Slava Medvdenko
Samki Walker
You're not going to win NBA championships in this era without a stacked team. People need to remember the '04 Pistons were a complete fluke as far as NBA history goes. Even the SA teams of old that won rings were pretty ridiculously stacked when you think about it.
There is a natural winning formula with Kobe Bryant. Surround him with an elite world class big man and he will win rings. Multiple rings. It just works. The Lakers FO would be stupid to not do everything in their power to keep this going.
Is he supposed to feel sorry and return his championship rings because he had too much help? Should Lebron return his after needing to join his super friends in Miami? Stop being ridiculous children.
Technically. . .
McHale is often forgotten when the best PFs of all time are mentioned. Due to being overshadowed by Bird.
I don't believe Pippen's even in the top 25 all time for a very large percentage of people who actually include every player and not just "last 20-30 years + a few popular/well known greats" , because he played with Jordan and was overshadowed by him. This, despite Pippen having 6 rings as the 2nd best player on the Bulls.
Magic has 0 les without Kareem tbh, and Kareem isn't considered GOAT instead of Jordan despite more MVPs, just as many rings, more points scored, etc. . . .because he played with Magic.
And of everyone you mentioned, Kobe's had a much larger variety of constant "help" than any of them.
Prime Shaq for 8 years. Eight!
Prime Gasol for 4 years and counting.
"dominant" Andrew Bynum for 3 years
Prime Dwight Howard now for likely the rest of his career.
Just for bigs alone, it's been rare he's ever not had one of or two of the best 1-3(ish) bigs in the NBA on his team at all times.
And we're not even mentioning the other guys. Karl Malone. Dennis Rodman. Glen Rice. Prime Robert Horry. Gary Payton. Prime Lamar Odom. Ron Artest. Steve Nash now. Prime Nick Van Exel. Prime Eddie Jones. Horace Grant. Caron Butler.
The amount of all star appearances between these guys. . .either while being, or within a few years before becoming a Laker is pretty staggering.
So can you really completely discount the help and not factor it in at all?
Just shows how much a good coaching staff and FO can lift a superstar into ring territory, tbh
If Duncan had Mike Brown and Cavs era Danny Ferry he'd bolt.
My biggest issue with discrediting Kobe is with the exception of Shaq, none of them have won a le until they joined Kobe. So yes Kobe is unbelievably fortunate but there's one constant thing when these players join Kobe. They all became eventual champions and as soon they leave Kobe (again, exception of Shaq) most have become non factors or irrelevant (Fisher, Odom, Farmar, Vujacic etc)
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