What is the best.......

[Wild Cobra]

so you illogically and irrationally fantasize about an after life, but stop short of details? If it were me, I'd go all out in my fantasy of heaven.

whatever gets you through the fear, I guess.

I take it that you have never had a spiritual experience.

[Blake]

I take it that you have never had a spiritual experience.

unless you can prove yours, I'm going to take it that you haven't had one either.

[DMX7]

I didn't say that. What I said was, if atheists remain as intent on violating the first amendment rights of others' to freely express their religion, perhaps they should start their own country.

How exactly are atheists intent on violating the first amendment rights of others?

Faith is personal but, for the sake of this argument, I'd say those who believe in God have done more to advance society than those who don't.

Ignorant, overgeneralized, quixotic, right-wing fantasy...

[Wild Cobra]

unless you can prove it, I'm going to take it that you haven't had one either.

I can't prove something like that. It was my experience. How does one prove such a ting?

I will take you response as a "no" to my question.

[DMX7]

I take it that you have never had a spiritual experience.

I have, and then I started thinking rationally.

[Wild Cobra]

I have, and then I started thinking rationally.

Then you are saying it wasn't a spiritual experience in hindsight. Right?

[Blake]

I can't prove something like that. It was my experience. How does one prove such a ting?

I will take you response as a "no" to my question.

Until you prove it, I'll take your experience as make-believe.

[ElNono]

one man's spiritual experience is another man's broken lightbulb...

[Wild Cobra]

Until you prove it, I'll take your experience as make-believe.

OK, than I guess that's the end of this particular discussion. I don't need to try to convince you. I'm sure there are plenty who have experienced and believe.

[Wild Cobra]

one man's spiritual experience is another man's broken lightbulb...

I'm sorry if yours is broken.

I'm sorry for your loss.

[DMX7]

Then you are saying it wasn't a spiritual experience in hindsight. Right?

It was spiritual to me at the time, which is all that matters in the context of your argument. I understand why some people are religious, but that doesn't mean that understanding that justifies not criticizing it and the people who deliberately push religion for their own selfish benefits.

[Blake]

OK, than I guess that's the end of this particular discussion. I don't need to try to convince you. I'm sure there are plenty who have experienced and believe.

If you'd like to discuss your spiritual experience further, feel free.

I'm rather sure any question I ask will end in an ”I don't know” though.

But thanks for doing your part in making atheism #1.

[Blake]

I'm sorry if yours is broken.

I'm sorry for your loss.

What have you gained?

[ElNono]

I'm sorry if yours is broken.

I'm sorry for your loss.

sorry for what?

[Wild Cobra]

sorry for what?

LOL...

It was a joke.

Maybe not so good, but a joke.

[ElNono]

LOL...

It was a joke.

Maybe not so good, but a joke.

Oh, okay

[AussieFanKurt]

As we said in last thread its the people. There is pitiful people in every religion. Religion gives people the excuse to discriminate etc etc

[Blake]

Religion gives people the excuse to discriminate etc etc

I think/believe so too.

[AussieFanKurt]

Since when it became a valid excuse to be racist, discriminatory or just a plain idiot.. I don't know but it'd be good to know

[Blake]

Since when it became a valid excuse to be racist, discriminatory or just a plain idiot.. I don't know but it'd be good to know

If you subscribe to the Bible being legit, then all of that was ok in the first two-three books of the old testament.

<6000 years or so ago.

[Oh, Gee!!]

unless you can prove yours, I'm going to take it that you haven't had one either.

I don't see how he could prove to you, or anyone, that he had a spiritual experience. What would be the form of proof that would satisfy you?

[boutons_deux]

Any religion or world view that ignores human physical and environmental health is bogus.

[Blake]

I don't see how he could prove to you, or anyone, that he had a spiritual experience.

I don't see how either.

What would be the form of proof that would satisfy you?

spiritual experiences being scientifically possible would be a good start, tbh.

[Juggity]

I don't see how he could prove to you, or anyone, that he had a spiritual experience. What would be the form of proof that would satisfy you?

A peer-reviewed study by a neutral/unreligious observer that points to a spirituality as being the most logical explanation for a given event?

[mingus]

I think the question depends on the type of person you are dealing with, or rather what social context that person is in. Atheism does not work for everyone, IMO.