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You mean how many children answered the survey about banking?
I'm going to say zero.
Disingenuous as always.I don't have a bank account either. I do have a 401K and credit union account.
How many of those 17 million are children?
Oh...
I don't have a bank account either. I do have a 401K and credit union account.
You mean how many children answered the survey about banking?
I'm going to say zero.
Disingenuous as always.I don't have a bank account either. I do have a 401K and credit union account.
You need an ID to cash a check at a pawn shop.
That's cool, but if you didn't know that, you need to go get an ID and come back days/weeks later, then cash the check. If you go vote and you don't know that you needed an ID, you're screwed.
That's why implementation of this thing is critical and it's just not serious to pass legislation 6 months away from the election, and don't bother telling citizens about it or help them get their do ents ready for the election.
BTW, I didn't know you needed an ID for that, so thanks for the info!
Sounds like Obama needs to get to work educating his fanbase ahead of time then with some cool new ads. Again, if you're too stupid to think that you might need to verify who you are to vote then you probably still shouldn't be voting.
Why? You already identified when you registered to vote. If you're changing the rules, then of course you need to notify the citizens, team red or team blue.
I would actually argue that the GOP push for voter ID laws as an affront to fraud would be much more believable if they started to push for it next January, which gives almost two years until Congressional elections. But the topic only seems to come up a few months before the election.
I find it funny that someone who's paranoid about America becoming a police state is very enthusiastic about everyone needing an ID to vote.
Before anyone turns that comment into a strawman argument that I'm OK with voter fraud, I'm fine with a mandated ID requirement as long as there's a way to get the ID for free. People having to pay to vote is something no one should want (even though it's obviously something Republicans want).
And if you need a column header to figure out what person to vote for then you don't need to be voting in the first place. Do you vote by column and not by candidate?
The license holder demographics are clear as are the 'efficiacy' of the various bills on preventing 'fraud.'
You can try to frame it however you like but at the end of the day:
A) Legal minorities without IDs is more than twice the rate of whites.
B) Voter fraud consists of .0008% of all votes taken most of which the proposed bills would not stop.
These laws serve to prevent minorities and the poor from voting and do essentially nothing for supposed 'fraud.'
Last edited by FuzzyLumpkins; 08-14-2012 at 04:15 PM.
And yes, anyone acting like voter fraud is a huge problem in this country is in hilarious.
You've made that stupid assertion twice and there was a reason I just ignored it the first time. No i don't vote straight ticket, I'm not a ing re like 90% of the liberal base. You vote on the same side as all the minorities and re s, keep that in mind.
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Thou protest too much
So you don't think 'minorities and re s' should be able to vote?
I would have to look it up, but odds are ID forgery is just as big or bigger problem... which really puts the 'solution' in perspective...
lol already forgot about ACORN
I think that you should be responsible in order to vote, the only people affected by this are those that liberals come into their neighborhoods and hand out ballots. If you need your hand held to vote, then you probably shouldn't be voting.
Thou protest too much
So you don't think 'minorities and re s' should be able to vote?
You didn't answer the question. It's very telling to people when you do not and instead answer a different question.
Let's try again:
So you don't think 'minorities and re s' should be able to vote?
^if they're responsible minorities should vote of course. not the ones who need to be lead to the water in order to drink though.
on the flip side, there are hardcore bubbas who dont have any business voting either. back when people were informed about who they voted for this country was so much better off.
I think he has a hard time wrapping his mind around simple facts like that. He just believes what ever the most liberal media outlets tell him to believe.
So tell us how the fraudulent registrations collected by ACORN were discovered.
So if someone else tells you to go vote then you shouldn't be able to vote?
This is one stupid justification. I am also guessing that only applies to 'minorities and re s.'
I had to pull this one out. what era do you have in mind exactly when you say this.
You can throw out all of 1776-1900. The electorate did not even know that FDR had polio his entire administration.
But exactly when is this golden age of electorate enlightenment?
Rick Scott Vows New Voter Purge In Florida Before Election
Gov. Rick Scott’s (R-FL) handpicked Secretary of State Ken Detzner announced on Tuesday that the administration will soon begin another voter purge to remove “ineligible” voters from the rolls before the November 6 election. Florida county election supervisors remain weary of the effort, however, telling ThinkProgress that they may not have enough time to implement the purge.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...purge-florida/
Repugs are REALLY worried that Ryan gave Gecko NO BOUNCE in the polls. They can only win with the 1%'s $Bs buying the WH by SwiftBoating Barry and Dems, while LYING about R&R's programs, and Dem voter disenfranchisement.
How many fraudulent votes were cast as a result of ACORN?
The fact your example of voter fraud was something that was discovered by internal auditors and taken care of BEFORE the elections happened doesn't present much of a case that voter fraud is a problem.
Election-fraud not as common as recent voter ID laws suggest
In an exhaustive public records search, News21 reporters sent thousands of requests to elections officers in all 50 states, asking for every case of fraudulent activity including registration fraud, absentee ballot fraud, vote buying, false election counts, campaign fraud, casting an ineligible vote, voting twice, voter impersonation fraud and intimidation.
Analysis of the resulting comprehensive News21 election fraud database turned up 10 cases of voter impersonation. With 146 million registered voters in the United States during that time, those 10 cases represent one out of about every 15 million prospective voters.
“Voter fraud at the polls is an insignificant aspect of American elections,” said elections expert David Schultz, professor of public policy at Hamline University School of Business in St. Paul, Minn.
“There is absolutely no evidence that (voter impersonation fraud) has affected the outcome of any election in the United States, at least any recent election in the United States,” Schultz said.
The News21 analysis of its election fraud database shows:
In-person voter-impersonation fraud is rare. The database shows 207 cases of other types of fraud for every case of voter impersonation.
“The fraud that matters is the fraud that is organized. That's why voter impersonation is practically non-existent because it is difficult to do and it is difficult to pull people into conspiracies to do it,” said Lorraine Minnite, professor of public policy and administration at Rutgers University.
There is more fraud in absentee ballots and voter registration than any other categories. The analysis shows 491 cases of absentee ballot fraud and 400 cases of registration fraud. A required photo ID at the polls would not have prevented these cases.
“The one issue I think is potentially important, though more or less ignored, is the overuse of absentee balloting, which provides far more opportunity for fraud and intimidation than on-site voter fraud,” said Daniel Lowenstein, a UCLA School of Law professor.
Of reported election-fraud allegations in the database whose resolution could be determined, 46 percent resulted in acquittals, dropped charges or decisions not to bring charges.
Minnite says prosecutions are rare. “You have to be able to show that people knew what they were doing and they knew it was wrong and they did it anyway,” she said. “It may be in the end they (prosecutors) can't really show that the people who have cast technically illegal ballots did it on purpose.”
Felons or noncitizens sometimes register to vote or cast votes because they are confused about their eligibility. The database shows 74 cases of felons voting and 56 cases of noncitizens voting.
Voters make a lot of mistakes, from accidentally voting twice to voting in the wrong precinct.
Election officials make a lot mistakes, from clerical errors — giving voters ballots when they’ve already voted — to election workers confused about voters’ eligibility requirements.
http://www.iwatchnews.org/2012/08/13...d-laws-suggest
Even the PA judge who allowed the Repug PA voter disenfranchisement law stand said the PA Repugs presented NO EVIDENCE of voter fraud.
Yoni and similar ilk, take your slappings like a whiny liar.
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