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When you have Blair, everybody looks tall, tbh
Has Patterson grown a few inches? Not sure I like using our main trade assets (besides Tiago) for a sub-6'10 PF. I'd hope that Blatche would be the next shoe to drop.
When you have Blair, everybody looks tall, tbh
From what I see in video, Patterson is a big 6'9.
If one of them is bound for the Spurs in this trade, then it's got to be Brockman. My sense is that if the Spurs acquire Patterson, Bonner is sent packing. Patterson isn't some big time established player or nothing, but I don't think they'd acquire him with the intent of having him be the fifth big. And I also don't think they'd go into the season with the intent of having Bonner as the fifth big. And if you look at the rumored third teams, the Hawks and Wizards could both use stretch fours.
I don't want Brockman, though. He's fine as a fifth big when you have a big rotation like the Lakers. But the Spurs, as we all know, need a fifth big who's really a top four caliber big and he's not that. He does possess bulk and is a strong rebounder (offensive, in particular), two things that aren't exactly in abundance amongst the bigs on this team. But still; he's a severely limited player. I'd much rather Johnson.
I doubt they'd sign Blatche if they acquire Patterson. I think the whole notion of signing Blatche is predicated on having him eventually take over for Bonner. But if they brought in Patterson to do that, then where does Blatche fit? The big rotation would seemingly be set for at least the next two years.
If the Spurs target is Patterson then Livingston or Brockman will go to the 3rd team, and Rockets will receive cash/picks (with their current roster size they don't want players back).
Probably. But remember, if Blair and Bonner are outgoing and only Patterson is incoming, then the Spurs need another big and a guy like Brockman is a cheap expiring contract, so there is a possibility that he'd also go to the Spurs.
About Patterson: He's 6-9.25 in shoes and though he's listed at 235, he's much stronger than what that would indicate. He's strong enough to possibly take a turn defending some of the beefier fives, which, when combined with his 15-20 foot range, would make him an ideal two way fit next to Splitter. Think of him as a post knee injury McDyess. He's more athletic and not as good a rebounder, but he's in that mold.
Looks like this guy updated trade earlier today....umm not real sure what to think
http://forums.hoopshype.com/forums/i...?topic=76187.0
like either scenario ok for the Spurs but not sure makes enough sense for TOR to be the real deal unless they like Blair quite a bit. Alot to be worked out with draft picks and player rights it appears. The fan in me wants this to be true Patterson is an upgrade to the front line for sure IMO
That was more along the lines of what I was thinking, wouldn't want or need Livingston (have enough guards).Source says possibility of simpler trade being done which sends PAtterson to SA, Blair to TOR, Neal & unguaranteed to HOU along with some fillers (picks/rights to TOR and HOU)
Neither trade works. As the person claims, the Raptors would be sending out nothing, but obtaining two players (two bigs, no less). That makes no sense whatsoever, when you consider that they're stocked with bigs as is: Bargnani, Valanciunas, Davis, Johnson, Gray and Acy. The first four are rotation locks and the fifth was in their rotation last season. This would have to be a prelude to them trading one of their bigs, or else there's no way they'd do this.
As for the "simpler trade", the Spurs can't obtain Patterson for only Blair; they'd have to throw in Byars to make it work.
I agree, the other trade make less sense other than allowing HOU to unload more salary and to reacquire the Red Rocket...
Some interesting thoughts there with TOR being interested in Hanga's rights would imagine their would be interest in Bertrans as well. ASSUMING this guy actually has good source sounds like SA can make this happen if they really want Patterson just would come down to how much does it cost in players and picks and at what point are you giving too much
Last edited by JonNOKC; 08-14-2012 at 09:30 PM.
I think that is who guy is referring to when he said Neal and unguaranteed would go to Houston unless we have some other non guaranteed contract to work with....I dont know
The simpler trade does work, the guy with source mentions:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9mm7ezdSource says possibility of simpler trade being done which sends PAtterson to SA, Blair to TOR, Neal & unguarnteed to HOU along with some fillers (picks/rights to TOR and HOU)
I'd be fine with Patterson for Blair/Neal. Not normally but with the logjam at guard and contract situation, I'd definitely be good with it.
that looks more possible - also the following would work with Houston getting some pick(s) and/or maybe rights to ????
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9fxqovw
either scenario makes alot more sense for raptors
Last edited by JonNOKC; 08-14-2012 at 09:51 PM.
At least there is are a few blueprints possible for a trade here. Seems like the kicker is the picks involved.
You're right; it works financially from a Spurs perspective. I forgot to account for Neal.
But overall, it still doesn't work. How could it? The Raptors aren't sending anything out. You can't acquire player(s) for nothing. Even when it's really nothing (like the top 55 protect '16 2nd round pick the Spurs acquired in the Ratliff trade), it still technically has to be something.
Other details could emerge that make sense. This is a s of a deal.
My guess if there is something to this is the Raptors would being sending some kind of pick to Houston - it almost like they get a pretty good player or players just for facilatating this trade (the simpler version that is)
I agree with TD21 the other scenario makes no sense for Toronto
Dawson is out... He signed to a team in china I heard
Well that's a shame but kind of expected right? That's what we spoke in other forum some time ago. Are there any mumblings you've heard regarding the patterson trade from that hoopshype guy?
If we sign someone Blatche is the only guy I see as a potential difference maker now that Oden's out. K-Mart's still available I guess, but I really don't want anything to do with him.
Well, that's what I mean. We are just itching for any activity and to dump Blair/Bonner/Neal. I looked back at Patterson's draft thread, but I don't see where he immediately jumps out as an improvement to the current team. His biggest asset would be taking over when Diaw moves on & becoming Kawhi's running mate.
Patrick Patterson would help any team he's on. Fairly athletic, he's got standard PF size. Can defend the PF position well, automatic midrange jumper. And that's one thing Diaw lacks the confidence for. He's efficient, understands the game, isn't the best rebounder in the world though. But he keeps himself in shape. He's got good fundamentals in the post. Just a good overall player. His upside isn't exactly high, but you know what you're getting and he's worth giving up Blair/Bonner/Neal for. I think someone should be there to keep Diaw in check anyways and make sure he's still in shape. I don't know about giving up another first rounder though. If we did that it'd be saying we think it's 100% THE year to go to the championship and this is the guy we have to have to take us there.
Just catching up with the last few pages of this thread. Thanks for posting. Interesting stuff if there is any truth to it. Wasn't RC super high on Patterson a few years back? Strikes me as a high motor guy. Solid midrange jumper too.
I am waiting.
Neal and Blair for Patterson would be fine.
I think the filler might be a second round pick from TOR.
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