Who are you going to vote for?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The popular vote system would marginalize the vote of southern and western states, which tend to favor property rights, fiscal conservatism, and the Second Amendment, while amplifying the voice of large left-leaning population centers, tbh...

I'm all for marginalizing the vote of bible banging rags in Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas and Louisiana.

I also don't get how a popular vote marginalizes their vote. Someone in Alabama would have the same vote as someone in California.

[Clipper Nation]

I'm voting for Gary Johnson.

I've thought about voting Gary Johnson if the Ron Paul delegates don't pull off the miracle in Tampa, but he's a fraud, tbh... he's pro-interventionism (wanted to send the military in to find Kony and suggested that we leave bases in Afghanistan), pro-drones, pro-subsidies, and pro-choice, so he's not a true libertarian, tbh... Ron bless

[jack sommerset]

I would like to see more people here cast a vote for Romney. God bless

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I've thought about voting Gary Johnson if the Ron Paul delegates don't pull off the miracle in Tampa, but he's a fraud, tbh... he's pro-interventionism (wanted to send the military in to find Kony and suggested that we leave bases in Afghanistan), pro-drones, pro-subsidies, and pro-choice, so he's not a true libertarian, tbh... Ron bless

True Libertarians are pro-choice

[ElNono]

I guess I can dig that. You're Argentine, right? Didn't know there was an obligation down there.

Yeah, voting is obligatory there unless you don't reside in the country or you have a proper excuse not to (ie: sick with doctor's note, etc).

[Clipper Nation]

True Libertarians are pro-choice

Ehhh... libertarians tend to be split on the abortion issue, tbh... I side more with Ron Paul's consistent pro-life approach... no abortion, no preemptive wars, no death penalty...

Both sides make valid points... the pro-choice libertarians argue that the government shouldn't make the decisions for the mother, while the pro-life libertarians argue that the fetus will eventually be a human being with rights, and that the mother shouldn't get to prevent it from being able to exercise those rights....

[ElNono]

I've got family that lives in the nicest burbs (Jew connections ) just outside of Queens. If I get a job in Manhattan I can live with them rent free and take the train every day. My living expenses will be low while I'll be getting higher salary people get when they start in NYC.

let me know, I'm 40 mins away... we'll go get a beer and watch kids get cir cised...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Ehhh... libertarians tend to be split on the abortion issue, tbh... I side more with Ron Paul's consistent pro-life approach... no abortion, no preemptive wars, no death penalty...

Libertarians are supposed to be people who consistently side with giving government the smallest amount of control possible.

The government controlling what a woman can do to her body is as anti-libertarian as it gets.

[Clipper Nation]

Libertarians are supposed to be people who consistently side with giving government the smallest amount of control possible.

Libertarians also consistently side with the principles of non-aggression and self-ownership.... one could argue that aborting a fetus is an unsolicited attack on the fetus' property (their developing body), which goes against non-aggression, and also gives the doctor and the mother full control over the fetus' body and life, which goes against self-ownership....

The government controlling what a woman can do to her body is as anti-libertarian as it gets.

The FEDERAL government controlling abortion would be anti-libertarian... however, abortion is a perfectly legitimate state issue, tbh...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

let me know, I'm 40 mins away... we'll go get a beer and watch kids get cir cised...

Tbh if I get a Big 4 or I-banking offer (unlikely since UA's finance department isn't very prestigious) in Manhattan I'm taking it on the spot. I'll have my CPA by the end of 2013 then I'm gonna move to NY and start bullying s.

[ElNono]

Tbh if I get a Big 4 or I-banking offer (unlikely since UA's finance department isn't very prestigious) in Manhattan I'm taking it on the spot. I'll have my CPA by the end of 2013 then I'm gonna move to NY and start bullying s.

tbh, if you have family and a place to stay, you should head there regardless...

[SnakeBoy]

It's a lot better than working 80 hours a week and spending most of the money paying rent on some hole studio apartment in Manhattan. Being able to save money in your 20s is the only way people my age are gonna be able to retire before age 80.

People have a way of becoming angry watching someone make & save money while mooching off of them. If it works out though then more power to you.

[MannyIsGod]

Why does the Ryan plan play so much of a factor with your decision? We aren't voting on the Ryan plan, and we really aren't voting on the Romney plan or the Obama plan (neither of them have one).

Because Ryan's whole thing is the Ryan Plan. Without it he's just another congressman that no one cares about. It's his mark.

[MannyIsGod]

Here's a simple question since this is my first election in this country:

If you register, you don't have an obligation to go cast a vote on election date, correct?

Registering by mail looks easy enough. I'm just not sure if I'm gonna lazy out on election date. Not a lot of enthusiasm here, tbh...

I advise you to check what else is going to be on your ballot. The big press is obviously going to be the presidential race and other federal races but I promise you the biggest impact will be from referendums and other down ballot items/races. There are definitely going to races you'll want to vote on.

[MannyIsGod]

There is a good reason: the President governs 50 states, not just two... therefore, all 50 should have a say...


Wrong, tbh... in a popular vote system, all a candidate would really need to do to become president is win a clear majority of the vote in Texas, Florida, New York, and California, and barely eke out a respectable percentage everywhere else....


Pandering is way too prevalent now, but just imagine how bad it could get if the candidates literally only had to campaign in a select few large population centers that run the gamut of political opinions... everybody would be forced into the middle, and we would officially have no real choice anymore, tbh....

Answer me this: How much pull do the millions of democrats living in Texas have?

[MannyIsGod]

The popular vote system would marginalize the vote of southern and western states, which tend to favor property rights, fiscal conservatism, and the Second Amendment, while amplifying the voice of large left-leaning population centers, tbh...

This makes no sense. The popular vote would mean 1 vote = 1 vote. Not one vote in Ohio = 20 votes in Texas. The electoral college basically rewards certain states with above average populations and demographics that make them swing states.

If Michign isn't a swing state, there's probably no auto bailout. Thats a pretty damn huge influence. There's no doubt that in a popular vote system that places like NYC and Los Angeles would get more attention than they would now but thats only because they've been compltely marginalized now. You seem to think that its somehow fair and equitable that farmers in Iowa get far more attention than the two largest cities in our nation and that blows my mind.

It is undeniable that a popular vote system makes each person's vote equal regardless of where they live. The system should not be based off of campaigning and of of equality.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm voting for Gary Johnson.

I am leaning in this direction myself but I'm not sold yet. I have problems with large portions of Gary Johnson's platform but there's no true perfect platform for me.

I have known for some time that there was no way I could vote for Obama. I entertained voting for Romney for about a day and then realized that I couldn't and it was even worse than Obama.

I think Gary Johnson is it for me but I want to see what other options I have.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

People have a way of becoming angry watching someone make & save money while mooching off of them. If it works out though then more power to you.

I hear you, but when the people I'm mooching off have 3 empty bedrooms in their house and money is an afterthought for them, they aren't likely to get resentful .

[DPG21920]

Im with DoK. I don't do the lesser of two evil thing. If im not inspired I see no reason to vote. It all ends up being the same crap overall anyways despite what they "campaign & promise" so it's all semantics when it comes to the two party bs anyways. They end up dealing with the same stupid issues over and over and nothing changes.

Until there is a system where your vote actually matters (lol electoral college) & until there is an opportunity for an agent of change, I'm not voting.

[symple19]

I hear you, but when the people I'm mooching off have 3 empty bedrooms in their house and money is an afterthought for them, they aren't likely to get resentful .

Get ahead however you can, dude. No reason to not take advantage of a situation like that

[MannyIsGod]

It's a lot better than working 80 hours a week and spending most of the money paying rent on some hole studio apartment in Manhattan. Being able to save money in your 20s is the only way people my age are gonna be able to retire before age 80.

Nah man, your plan is really really really smart.

[MannyIsGod]

Im with DoK. I don't do the lesser of two evil thing. If im not inspired I see no reason to vote. It all ends up being the same crap overall anyways despite what they "campaign & promise" so it's all semantics when it comes to the two party bs anyways. They end up dealing with the same stupid issues over and over and nothing changes.

Until there is a system where your vote actually matters (lol electoral college) & until there is an opportunity for an agent of change, I'm not voting.

I used to get all high and mighty righteous about those who did not vote. After the abject sadness I felt and utter helplessness during the last election (2010) I completely understand people who do not want to vote.

[Winehole23]

I've thought about voting Gary Johnson if the Ron Paul delegates don't pull off the miracle in Tampa, but he's a fraud, tbh... he's pro-interventionism (wanted to send the military in to find Kony and suggested that we leave bases in Afghanistan), pro-drones, pro-subsidies, and pro-choice, so he's not a true libertarian, tbh... Ron bless

anti drug war, anti-intervention (for the most part). pro choice is fine with me.

how is he pro subsidies, btw? which ones?

[Woo Bum-kon]

I'm going to be like all the cool kids and not vote.

[DPG21920]

I used to get all high and mighty righteous about those who did not vote. After the abject sadness I felt and utter helplessness during the last election (2010) I completely understand people who do not want to vote.

I really want to vote. I just don't want to vote on crap & on things that over 4 years don't really matter. Imo no matter who wins in these recent/current races, the overall outcome remains largely the same.