Lebron James or Larry Bird???

[Clipper Nation]

From a fan's perspective, Lebron is the best player since Jordan. Kobe is a close second and i think most of them (apart from non delusional ones) would agree.

Duncan and Shaq are far closer to "best player since Jordan" status than Food Stamps, let's be real now....

[scanry]

Duncan and Shaq are far closer to "best player since Jordan" status than Food Stamps, let's be real now....

Talent wise maybe, but Kobe gets the nod over Duncan & Shaq because not everyone can play Robin for like 6 years and then take the lead. Shaq had the talent to be the greatest ever, but ate himself out of the league. Imagine Shaq with Dwight Howard's body & work ethic. And Shaq was close to that in his Orlando days.

His career was an underachievement in my book. And considering his accomplishments, he would've surely become the GOAT.

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rings are the most overrated metric of greatness, tbh..

Bird's career is currently better, he ranks higher on the all-time list..

However, as a peak player, Lebron is better..only Jordan is clearly ahead of Lebron, from a peak perspective..

This.

[stretch]

I'd take prime Bird over prime James. Anyone who says otherwise is foolish.

You're a ing moron.

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Oh yeah cause clearly Jordans "peak" year with an average of 50 points per game, 25 rebounds per game, and 2.5 assits per game outshines Brons average of 30 points per game, 12 rebounds per game, and 11 assists per game.

Oh wait...

Oh yeah cause clearly Wilt was consistently going against compe ion that could physically match up with him on a nightly basis, and every time he faced a player who could even somewhat match up with him physically, he completely dominated them.

Oh wait...

[jeebus]

Lebron has one decent season with the superfriends and he's suddenly the goat. ok.

[Clipper Nation]

Lebron has one decent season with the superfriends and he's suddenly the goat. ok.

Larry Bird had many decent seasons with his Superfriends tbh...

[Killakobe81]

KAJ probably had the scariest peak and Shaq was pretty close in his MVP season. Jordan is not clearly ahead. Lebron put up some scary number with such ease.

From a fan's perspective, Lebron is the best player since Jordan. Kobe is a close second and i think most of them (apart from non delusional ones) would agree.

This. Clips fan is a tier version of my Okc troll

[Killakobe81]

LeBron is not there yet, but he needs 2 more rings to end the debate. We all know Spur fans live to discount rings when convenient... But rings separate the HOFers (Malone) from the all time greats (Duncan) focusing on PER and win shares won't win much debates between pickup games or the barbershop. Maybe it helps at dorkapoolza ...but rings are the ultimate decider if 2 players are close. You can b make a case it's not close so if LeBron gets 1 more I would favor him over Bird. I use rings when players are close ...

[DMC]

You're a ing moron.

So Lebron is one of the top 10 greatest players of all time with one ring that he needed two other team's franchise players to get?

[cobbler]

Oh yeah cause clearly Lebron was consistently going against compe ion that could physically match up with him on a nightly basis, and every time he faced a player who could even somewhat match up with him physically, he completely dominated them.

Oh wait...

[LkrFan]

Didnt watch Bird tbh, but Ill take King James. Once his career is over the King will at the very least be the 2nd GOAT.

Don't be a blind got. Go watch some youtubes or something.The only thing LeBron can do better is dunk. That's it. Better passer, rebounder, higher hoops IQ, better shooter - advantage Bird. This from a diehard Laker fan who grew up hating the Celtics.

[LkrFan]

rings are the most overrated metric of greatness, tbh..

Bird's career is currently better, he ranks higher on the all-time list..

However, as a peak player, Lebron is better..only Jordan is clearly ahead of Lebron, from a peak perspective..

All LeBron has on Bird is that he is more athletic. Name one thing LeBron can do better - besides a plethora of FTAs to boost his scoring averages? He does beast Bird in another category I guess: Bronze medals.

[pass1st]

All LeBron has on Bird is that he is more athletic. Name one thing LeBron can do better - besides a plethora of FTAs to boost his scoring averages? He does beast Bird in another category I guess: Bronze medals.

LBJ does got Bird on defense, mostly for just being a freak athlete. Also things related to athleticism, driving to the basket and whatnot.

A good argument would be who's the better passer

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So Lebron is one of the top 10 greatest players of all time with one ring that he needed two other team's franchise players to get?

You didn't say Bird's Career > Lebron's Career

You said Bird's prime > Lebron's prime

Two completely different things.

Lebron at his best is without question superior to Bird at his best. He does basically everything better than Bird did except for jumpshooting.

[Venti Quattro]

Larry play can't play defense but his clutch gene is way ahead of LeBron's.

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Wilt is the best ever!!!!!!

So Lebron is defended by people who are 6-8 inches shorter, and 40+ lbs lighter than him on a nightly basis?

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Larry play can't play defense but his clutch gene is way ahead of LeBron's.

Is it his clutch gene, or his jumpshooting gene?

Lebron simply does not do a lot of jumpshooting. It's like saying Shaq was incapable of performing in the clutch since he didn't get the highlight reel game winning jump shots, when we all know Shaq found his ways to make his mark on the game in crunch time. Lebron has always found his ways to make his mark on the game in crunch time as well, whether creating easy shots for others, hitting game winning jump shots (although not as frequently as others), clutch defense, clutch rebounds, absorbing double and triple teams, etc...

Now I'm not saying Larry isn't clutch, or that Lebron is more clutch than Larry, just saying that Lebron has a different way of making clutch plays, while Larry's (as well as MJ, Kobe, Dirk, etc...) is the most noticable, with clutch jumpshots. Same could be said for Magic Johnson. He was capable of hitting clutch shots, but he usually came up big in the clutch in other ways, very much like Lebron.

[Venti Quattro]

Why shoot jumpshots when you can bulldoze anyone? Besides it's not like his jumper is bad

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LBJ does got Bird on defense, mostly for just being a freak athlete. Also things related to athleticism, driving to the basket and whatnot.

A good argument would be who's the better passer

Bird makes more fancy passes.

Lebron makes more PG types of passes, as his vision is incredible. You can have Lebron run PG. Larry is not a guy you want running PG.

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Why shoot jumpshots when you can bulldoze anyone? Besides it's not like his jumper is bad

For one, late in games, refs will call far less fouls. You can frequently get the crap fouled out of you in last second shots, and get no calls. Why drive if the opposing team can just clobber the mess out of you, with no call?

I think until this year, Lebron's biggest fear was being called a ballhog, or selfish. I think he saw all the crap that Kobe dealt with, and didn't want the same thing. But it seemed like in the Boston series this year, he finally just said "screw it" to himself and started just taking any shot he wanted late in games, especially if his teammates aren't helping much.

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This from a dumbass got who grew up loving in my ass.

fify

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But rings separate the HOFers (Malone) from the all time greats (Duncan) focusing on PER and win shares won't win much debates between pickup games or the barbershop. Maybe it helps at dorkapoolza

So basically you are saying black people are lazy, emotional debaters who don't do research before backing up their points? Rather, they have their groupies yell and go "ooooohhh!!!!!!" to try to "validate" their points in the eyes of other dimwitted gots.

[DMC]

I've defended Lebron on here countless times, but Stretch takes man love to a whole other level. Stretch was worshiping him even before he went to Miami. It's no surprise he would defend Lebron against any comparison, and get really emotional in the process.

[DMC]

For one, late in games, refs will call far less fouls. You can frequently get the crap fouled out of you in last second shots, and get no calls. Why drive if the opposing team can just clobber the mess out of you, with no call?

I think until this year, Lebron's biggest fear was being called a ballhog, or selfish. I think he saw all the crap that Kobe dealt with, and didn't want the same thing. But it seemed like in the Boston series this year, he finally just said "screw it" to himself and started just taking any shot he wanted late in games, especially if his teammates aren't helping much.

I think he was just afraid of the moment. He doesn't mind dancing like a monkey on the side during the game but is too classy to take a pressure shot? Sure.