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Ahh yes yes, this would be a good acquisition for the Spurs. But I think this'll only work if they get a 4. Blatche would be ideal, Tolliver as plan B. It would be a solid trade for the Spurs.
Splitter and Bonner for Varejao works in the trade machine:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
It drops the Cav's salary by 800k, and Splitter is 3 years younger. In Splitter they get a guy who would thrive in the pnr with Irving, although he is less of a rebounder and defender. We'd get a better defender and rebounder with less offense, although arguably a better 15ft jumper.
If the Spurs threw in a first round pick the Cavs would have to jump at it, although I think a second rounder, or maybe no pick at all, might get it done too because there are clear advantages for the Cavs here. Oh, and as for Bonner, he's there for salary-matching. He only has two years left on his contract and, despite the hatred of many Spurs fans, is a fine regular season player who won't have to worry about the playoffs if he's a Cav.
If I were the FO I'd be trying to swing this. Varejao would thrive playing long minutes off the bench, and with Mills, Ginobili and Jax out there we have plenty of 3pt shooting. Also, Varejao and Blair would kill second teams on the boards, and although this move would leave us without a stretch 4, Anthony Tolliver is still on the market, knows the Spurs' system, and could be had for the minimum.
The downside of this trade is that Varejao is due a lot of money over the next 3 years and it could restrict our cap flexibility since Splitter is an FA next offseason, Bonner the season after.
What do you think?
Last edited by RuffnReadyOzStyle; 08-14-2012 at 10:12 PM.
Ahh yes yes, this would be a good acquisition for the Spurs. But I think this'll only work if they get a 4. Blatche would be ideal, Tolliver as plan B. It would be a solid trade for the Spurs.
I wouldn't even give them a first. They're getting what rebuilding teams need: salary relief to the tune of about $15M.
If we are going for the "the other team doesnīt want anything back" i would try to go for Glen Davis. Who is not great but can somehow give us a strong body inside that is something we actually donīt have (unless Diaw shows to training camp overweight).
It was quite evident that none of our bigs can really bang inside, Timmy is old and i donīt want him risking a lot, Tiago is soft as , Diaw is small so is Blair.
Oh.. Bonner doesnīt bang inside, the guy gets 0 rebounds in 15 minutes.
So, by this writerīs logic ( http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...her-super-team ) Orlando is trying to form up the worst team possible to stay a few years i the lottery. By this logic, which i donīt agree but i canīt write off, we could offer Cory Joseph, Matt Bonner and Derrick Byars (a combined 5.559.000) for Glen Davis (6.400.000). A trade that works and doesnīt require us to get rid of Thiago who i think we can try for another season given that he now has a real year below him.
splitter is a good player
pop just refuses to play him at all and with duncan
also destroys any bit of confidence he has
so id rather just see splitter gone tbh
if they get good value for him that would be great
better then watching him rot on the bench
Yeah, as I said, I doubt we'd need to give up a pick because the trade makes sense to the Cavs.
Thanks, I missed that one...
You can tell it's the off-season around here!
Would not trade Splitter and a first for him.
Splitter's deal lasts another 2 years including this season, and he's getting paid half of what Varejao is. Varejao's deal lasts 3 years, which means any possible team add-ons becomes 0% chances. It'd be pushing us right up against the luxury tax line.
Do I like Vareajo more than Splitter? Of course. He just costs twice as much and that doesn't seem worth it when you're also factoring a lost first rounder too. I'd rather keep Splitter and trade him and our first to trade up in the draft again for another possible draft steal like with did with the underrated George Hill.
Splitter's a decent center who should have some trade value. If what that lumberwagon who handles the ball around the basket like a dizzy re in Omer Asik can get as much cash as he got this offseason, then Splitter's got to be worth a lot since Asik couldn't do much besides occaisionally block a shot and grab an average amount of rebounds.
I wouldn't trade a first either. A second I'd consider, but as I said, I think there are enough benefits for the Cavs to go for it straight up.
Having said that, I don't mind Splitter, although he's going to have to solidify his FT shooting to be relevant in the playoffs. The downfall of our season started late in the 3rd Q of game 2 when OKC went hack-a-Splitter. After that, Pop seemed to lose faith in him and that became a factor in the series.
Without hesitation.
Splitter is an ending contract. Bonner almost is, being owed $1M for 2013-14.
A "regular" first rounder almost isn't worth having any more, and Cleveland isn't giving us a lottery pick for him. I'm not in favor of flipping him for a non-lottery pick. I would prefer a more or less finished product like Varejao. We'd need some sort of big in exchange, and we don't have time for a draft pick to develop to help Timmy.
I wouldn't.
Pop wouldn't pair Andy with Duncan for the same reason he doesn't pair Splitter with Duncan. Both players can't shoot. Diaw would still start because of his shooting abilities, so paying 9m/year for a backup Center is not a good idea. Plus, Andy is older and he is injury-prone.
I am not against trading Splitter if it brings a good starting PF to be paired with Duncan. Varejao is not this guy. At least not in Pop's offensive scheme.
no
no. Splitter > Varejo.
Exactly.
I haven't even seen Varejao play since Lebron took his talents to South Beach. Where do I catch these nationally televised Cleveland Cavalier games?
no. Cavs would have to sweeten the deal, not the Spurs. Splitter's younger, cheaper, healthier, and more versatile.
Although Splitter just might eventually earn a contract that even Omer Asik would be surprised at....
Someone will offer Splitter 8 mil next year. See if you would wish we got something for him, then.
Varejao makes $9 million next year, and $9.7 the year after plus has a 5% trade kicker. He also has missed more than half of each of the past 2 seasons.
So if we can't keep Splitter at $8 million a year, why would we want Varejao at $9 million just when injuries are starting to take a toll on his career?
No thx we already have a 'flopper'.
Don't think Varejao is the answer either, but the idea of trading Splitter has to be looked at because he will most likely be overpaid next year.
I'd argue that Duncan is as good, if not better, shooter than Diaw. Sure, Diaw has 3-point range, but he's not all that good from distance. Duncan is money from midrange.
yes
I'd rather overpay a younger splitter than varajao who can't stay on the court
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