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    Jared Bernstein breaks down the core elements of the Medicare debate:
    [T]here’s been a lot of confusion generated by the $700 billion in cuts that both the President and Gov Ryan have in their budgets. I’ve written about this as have others: see here and here. The numbers may be the same, but...[i]n the Affordable Care Act, they’re derived from seeking efficiencies in way health care is delivered, and they’re used to provide health care to beneficiaries of Medicare and Medicaid.


    In the Ryan budget, they’re at least partly used to pay for tax cuts weighted toward wealthy households.
    After musing on Romney's ostensible rejection of the Ryan budget, he keeps up the full-court press on hypocrisy:
    Republicans and other alleged chicken budget hawks are constantly complaining that the President is failing to lead on fiscal issues because he refuses to tackle the en lement “crisis.” Then, a sentence or two later, the nail him for cutting $700 billion from Medicare!
    Josh Barro's view:
    Cutting more than $700 billion out of Medicare over 10 years is hard. Ryan's position is that he will make those cuts, but they won't be through an IPAB or an IPAB-like mechanism. And they won't be through premium support. And they won't hurt seniors. But we don't get to know how they will work. It is no surprise that defenses of this position fail.
    http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.... -game.html

    GOP vaporware versus Dem vaporware. how to pick b/w the two?

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    Is that Kucinich? Serious question...I'm not sure who it is. If it is Kucinich, I may stand corrected...but I honestly don't know enough about him to judge one way or another.
    It is Kucinich, he's the closest thing the Dems have to a Ron Paul, tbh...

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    Kucinich?

    No thanks.

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    Kucinich?

    No thanks.
    Considering his views on the Fed, nation-building, and Big Pharma, you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss Kucinich as a self-proclaimed libertarian, tbh....

    That being said, I don't like his views on gun rights or media regulations, but he's still a damn sight better than most Democrats, tbh...

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    Considering his views on the Fed, nation-building, and Big Pharma, you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss Kucinich as a self-proclaimed libertarian, tbh....

    That being said, I don't like his views on gun rights or media regulations, but he's still a damn sight better than most Democrats, tbh...
    He would be better than other democrats we have, but he is still a socialist. Unless I don't recall his policies right, he is for redistribution of wealth.

    Am I right or wrong?

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    He would be better than other democrats we have, but he is still a socialist. Unless I don't recall his policies right, he is for redistribution of wealth.

    Am I right or wrong?
    What politician isn't for redistribution of wealth? I'm pretty sure your boy Bush voted for TARP, which was redistribution upwards...

    In fact, pretty much every President is for redistribution of wealth... because, ya know, that's what taxes tend to be. Have we had any President run a campaign based on abolishing all taxation?

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    He would be better than other democrats we have, but he is still a socialist. Unless I don't recall his policies right, he is for redistribution of wealth.

    Am I right or wrong?
    Well, he's against special-interest crony trade organizations like NAFTA and WTO, and voted against TARP corporate welfare....

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    What politician isn't for redistribution of wealth? I'm pretty sure your boy Bush voted for TARP, which was redistribution upwards...

    In fact, pretty much every President is for redistribution of wealth... because, ya know, that's what taxes tend to be. Have we had any President run a campaign based on abolishing all taxation?
    Again, Bush was the lesser of two evils.

    Why do you guys think that such vote comparisons work with me?

    Some people say the definition of insanity if doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

    Are you insane?

    You do remember don't you, I was 100% against TARP when we discussed it those years back, right?

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    Again, Bush was the lesser of two evils.
    Highly debatable in hindsight, still evil....

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    Highly debatable in hindsight, still evil....
    Since when does hindsight count? After you see a politicians ways when they are in office, do you change your vote from years past?

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    Since when does hindsight count? After you see a politicians ways when they are in office, do you change your vote from years past?
    Did you change your vote in 2004 or 2008?

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    Did you change your vote in 2004 or 2008?
    I cant go back in time and change my vote, and wouldn't. I still would never want Gore or sKerry as president.

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    I cant go back in time and change my vote, and wouldn't. I still would never want Gore or sKerry as president.
    Me neither, but I also didn't want Dubya or McCain....

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    17 days. Tick tock.

    Just remember, putting Slow Joe Biden one heartbeat away from the Presidency is the very first executive decision made by Barack Obama.

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    Apparently, it's a decision Americans didn't have a problem with for 4 years running...

    We'll see if they feel the same way about Mitt...

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    17 days. Tick tock.

    Just remember, putting Slow Joe Biden one heartbeat away from the Presidency is the very first executive decision made by Barack Obama.
    Excellent decision on his part. The threat of a Joe Biden presidency keeps him safer than the secret service ever could.

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    Excellent decision on his part. The threat of a Joe Biden presidency keeps him safer than the secret service ever could.
    Not to mention Joe is what makes him look smart...

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    Not to mention Joe is what makes him look smart...


    So true. , picking Biden is probably the best decision he's ever made.

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    17 days. Tick tock.

    Just remember, putting Slow Joe Biden one heartbeat away from the Presidency is the very first executive decision made by Barack Obama.
    Still preferable to actually voting in Dubya as president twice, tbh....

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    I still think sarah palin would have been a great vice president. She's a great american.

    lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Funny, not dropping Biden from the campaign didn't turn out so bad for Barry after all..

    "Sarah Palin: great American"

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    Yoni colossal miscalculations

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    Sarah Palin

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    Yoni colossal miscalculations
    uncalculated bombs

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