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Right. The only thing forcing anyone into joining an HOA is their own decision to limit their options to a newer community with amenities provided by an HOA. Non issue. Anyone who doesn't want an HOA doesn't have to have one.
Throwing stones... Coming from you that's a riot. What's wrong. Cant take your own medicine?
LOL...
Tract House...
LOL...
I would never... I mean never... buy or rent a tract house. Too ing ticky tacky...
As for the girl. She moved in March. Came back for a couple weeks recently and treated me so damn good sexually. I don't think you understand such things, or how much she missed me.
Right. The only thing forcing anyone into joining an HOA is their own decision to limit their options to a newer community with amenities provided by an HOA. Non issue. Anyone who doesn't want an HOA doesn't have to have one.
Fallacy aside, there isn't a strong demand for non-HOA neighborhoods.
Most people either have no issue with HOAs or they think they are a good thing.
There is still a strong enough demand that the premise you cannot find non HOA places is false.
I was responding to fuzzylumpkins who said that the lack of non-hoa neighborhoods was not driven by demand. I took this to imply that there are legions of people who only wish they could get a non-hoa house, but cannot due to "lack of consumer choice."
What an awesome false dilemma.
America! Love it or gtfo!
your premise of what my premise is is false.
you're an idiot.
What's false about it?
Be specific.
I caught it. I'm further stating there aren't legions of people who wish they could get a non hoa house.
Ah, I misunderstood your intent. Mea Culpa
I think most responsible people do want HOA's. Such organization do protect property values. They keep the irresponsible from ruining a neighborhood. Still, there are plenty of neighborhoods that are not under an HOA umbrella. You can even buy your own property and have a house built on it. The reason these tract houses are cheaper, is because a contractor does them all in a short time and only follows one or a few designs. It makes construction so much more predicable, per unit., cheaper, and faster. Since the tract was all owned by one individual or en y, they often start an HOA. Primarily I bet to keep their investment sound, and not having your first few residence trash the place before all the units are sold.
Specifically, you are implying I have two options regarding this issue: take it or leave it.
Yes.
Take it or leave it.
You are a free man, aren't you?
You've never dealt with an HOA. No claims you make in this thread contain merit.
And that's aside from your history of being a pure ass talker.
America! Love it or gtfo!
Wanting / not wanting an HOA isn't about being responsible. You either want one or you don't. Your preference. That being said, you're right that most people do want to live in communities that offer amenities are willing to put up with an HOA in order to get them.
Yep. Developers will front tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars into these master planned communities and they need to protect that investment as well as maximize their return on investment. To do that they need an HOA.Such organization do protect property values. They keep the irresponsible from ruining a neighborhood. Still, there are plenty of neighborhoods that are not under an HOA umbrella. You can even buy your own property and have a house built on it. The reason these tract houses are cheaper, is because a contractor does them all in a short time and only follows one or a few designs. It makes construction so much more predicable, per unit., cheaper, and faster. Since the tract was all owned by one individual or en y, they often start an HOA. Primarily I bet to keep their investment sound, and not having your first few residence trash the place before all the units are sold.
Correct. If you think that's a false dilemma, please state the additional options at your disposal.
Be specific.
Well...
Maybe things are different here, then there.
I do know they (in general) protect property values.
Would someone who is irresponsible with home maintenance want to be under an HOA? My point is that the responsible home owners do not want to live next to someone who has a trashy looking house and property. Bad neighbors do drive down other residences property values.
Are you saying I am wrong that tract housing is cheaper per unit than individually built units?
Are you saying that Coyote is wrong here:Yep. Developers will front tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars into these master planned communities and they need to protect that investment as well as maximize their return on investment. To do that they need an HOA.
Pe ion for changes, but that still takes time. In the present, it's take it or leave it.
Specifically speaking, this was never specifically about what my specific options were.
Very specifically speaking, it was only that HOAs are evil.
Specifically speaking, me finding another place to live does not make the forced HOA system any more or any less evil.
Specifically speaking.
Could you be more specific? Thx. /Chump
LOL...
Good one.
Translation: You're right CG, it's not a false dilemma.
Glad we've got that cleared up.
Specifically how?
False assumption.Translation: You're right CG, it's not a false dilemma.
Glad we've got that cleared up.
if you want to get more specific, and it's obvious you do, what you offered was a false choice for the dilemma.
Again, specifically speaking.
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