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in america, if ur a registered voter...do you get fined for not voting???
down here u get fined 150bucks i think...fkn pathetic and a load of bull when u are force to vote for unworthy wankers for the electoral position
I don't get it. In America, you have to show your driver's license if you appear to be under 30 or 40 to buy alcohol and tobacco. What's the in' big deal about showing some ID when you vote? I mean seriously, why ? You don't when you go to the store to buy your booze and smokes and have to show ID so why when you go to vote? At some banks, you must show ID in order to make a withdrawal.
And another question for voter ID crybabies, if Americans don't have to show any type of identification in order to vote, do you have a problem with Billy Bob voting for Romney 10 times or Harry voting for Gary Johnson 100 times? What if Barry Jones voted 1000 times for Barry Obama? What about record keeping? Shouldn't there be some type of record of American's votes?
in america, if ur a registered voter...do you get fined for not voting???
down here u get fined 150bucks i think...fkn pathetic and a load of bull when u are force to vote for unworthy wankers for the electoral position
I think that a better question is there an actual district, individual or electorate that has decried fraud in a recent election? Not some head GOP electioneer but rank and file cons uents pointing to their own district's election.
GOP politicians like to act like its 1850's NY/Chicago but I see a lack of empirical basis for these claims.
What election in the last 20 years had its outcome changed by voter fraud?
If there is not a problem then why create a law? It's even more comical when you look at self styled 'libertarians' or 'conservatives' who want these laws created.
Let's about over-regulation and freedom but support this type of .
It's been clearly outlined that while fraud does not effect voter outcome, ID laws do dispossess the poor and minorities. 'Conservatives' like to look at individual anecdotes like 'you should be able to get an ID,' statistical analysis paints a completely different picture.
When you look at the statistics of legal voters who do not have IDs and thus will be precluded from voting, they are twice the rate of being poor and minorities versus those above the poverty line and white. It's something along the lines of 8% of whites and 15% of nonwhites.
So while you can make claims about what people 'should' do the fact is that 8% of whites and 16% of nonwhites will be prevented from voting. All in the name of solving a problem that does not exist. It's goal is no different than poll taxes and those reading tests that the old guard southern democrats used to give out.
I was talking about human beings in general. Thank you.
If you can show your ID to buy your smokes and booze, then you should be mature and responsible enough to bring it with you when you go to vote. If not, go yourself and quit your ing.
I am talking about human beings in general too.
As I said, the more poignant question is why do people get upset that there are not voter ID laws
Who is upset about the outcome of their election that thinks there is a need to require people to carry IDs? I am not asking for your ty anecdotes about what people 'should' be able to do.
I am talking about the cons uents of which particular district are crying for a need for these laws.
For example, do you think that your particular district has a problem with voting fraud that needs these laws? Do you know of anyone who feels that their district has an issue?
I sure as do not. There is zero desire to appease the wishes of any particular electorate behind these laws. What we see is a bunch of GOP sycophants that are trying to make excuses why these laws should be okay.
I never see any justification why these laws are needed in the firstplace other than to dispossess minorities and poor people at a higher rate than WASPs.
people in america not having id's is a fairy tale
things you need an ID to do:
drive a car
get on welfare
buy alcohol
buy cigarettes
get foodstamps
cash a check
write a check
buy a gun
rent an apartment
go to college
go to a bar
obtain insurance
the list goes on and on. shut the up aboutpoor people not having id's
http://www.aarp.org/politics-society...americans.htmlHaving a driver's license or photo identification card is commonplace for most Americans, but about 11 percent of adult citizens — more than 21 million people — lack a valid, government-issued photo ID, according to a study by the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law.
http://www.brennancenter.org/content...egory/voter_idStudies show that as many as 11 percent of eligible voters do not have government-issued photo ID. That percentage is even higher for seniors, people of color, people with disabilities, low-income voters, and students. Many citizens find it hard to get government photo IDs, because the underlying do entation like birth certificates (the ID one needs to get ID) is often difficult or expensive to come by. At the same time, voter ID policies are far more costly to implement than many assume.
Now show me the voter fraud statistics or shall I show them to you as well?
Again, would any of you Obama lovers or Willard fanboys be happy if Billy Bob voted for Willard 1000 times and Barry Jones voted for Obama 10000 times? You think you're special? Your vote should be do ented and recorded and there should be some record of it with your in' photograph. I don't got any sympathy, sorry. If you are willing to show ID for to do other or buy that will you up then you should be willing to show it to in' vote. I don't give a if you're the whitest guy in upstate New York or a brother from South Central. You got no excuses in my book.
Would you be happy if your mother d herself out for crack? Then why do you have a problem with me locking her in her room?
Making up that isn't happening is not a justification.
Your vote is do ented. it is possible to do ent something without an ID. It's possible to prove your iden y without having a state issued id card that you have to pay for.
I am still waiting for an explanation as to why these laws are needed.
So if I didn't have to show my ID when I go to vote and was able to vote for Gary Johnson a million times, you would be okay with that? I wouldn't be breaking the law?
Would I be a hero?
If you d yourself out for crack a million times, you would be okay with that? you wouldn't be breaking the law?
Would you be a hero.
Its stupid logic and you disgrace yourself by using it.
lol aarp and brennancenter
lol not having id's
http://www.pewstates.org/research/an...id-85899411346The Pennsylvania Departments of State and Transportation (PennDot) compared databases and found that approximately 9 percent of the state’s 8,232,928 registered voters do not have PennDot ID numbers. This means these voters do not have a photo ID, such as a drivers’ license, from the state Transportation Department that can be used at the polling place to meet the state’s recently enacted voter ID requirement. Statewide nearly 760,000 voters could not be matched.
I guess it's easier to believe what you want rather than what is. But it is what it is regardless. Lying to yourself so you can excuse disenfranchise others is not very nice.
http://www.pewstates.org/research/an...in-85899398509The battle over voter ID continues, and in Wisconsin, it is being fought in the courtroom. Two judges recently blocked the state’s law requiring photo ID at the polls from taking effect.
Plaintiffs opposing the law retained researchers to examine the rates of possession of accepted photo ID among the voting eligible population (VEP) and registered voters in Milwaukee County, the state’s most populous county.
Based on survey results, 9.5 percent of the county’s VEP—slightly more than 63,000 eligible voters—and 8.7 percent of registered voters were found to lack the proper ID.
The findings also revealed the rates of inadequate identification were significantly higher than the countywide figure among minorities but lower among white voters:
14.9 percent of eligible and 11.3 percent of registered Latinos.
13.2 percent of eligible and 15.3 percent of registered African-Americans.
7.4 of eligible and 6.0 percent of registered Whites.
It's amazing how I am able to back up what I claim. You should try it m>s.
lol pewstates
none of these links could possibly be political!
I agree with the OP.....and fuzzy, quit changing the OP's question....if you want to start a thread about the merit of the laws, have at it......the question however was, why the does anyone care if they have to show an ID?
And everyone should have to.
I answered the question: because the desire to have people present ID is intent on disenfranchising minorities and the poor.
How do we know this to be true? Because of the answer to the question that I pose.
Is there a single district that can be named whose cons uents make the claims with cause that the GOP proponents of such legislation claim?
If the answer to that question is no then the intent for requiring IDs should very much so be in question. There is no inherent 'rightness' to requiring ID. There are several cliches from Franklin that address the ethic behind that.
The Pennsylvania Departments of State and Transportation (PennDot) compared databasesBased on survey results, 9.5 percent of the county’s VEP—slightly more than 63,000 eligible voters—and 8.7 percent of registered voters were found to lack the proper ID.I wonder if you truly are this pigheaded and racist or if you are trolling.The Pew Research Center is a nonpartisan fact tank that provides information on the issues, at udes and trends shaping America and the world. The center conducts public opinion polling, demographic studies, media content analysis and other empirical social science research. It does not take positions on policy issues.
If it's a vote I pick pigheaded and racist.
Well, the theory is that there are a lot of poor minorities that don't have an ID. I work in a poor part of town and they seen to be able to produce ID at the convenience store.
Showing an ID to vote is not difficult a requirement, if the govt would make it easy AND free to obtain a voter ID.
The huge problem with the VRWC pushing for voter ID is that they realize they are, as representing, protecting, enriching the 10%, while do nothing for, if not actually ing the 90%, they are the natural minority so they know they MUST disenfranchise as many of the 90% as they can, and they must do it relentlessly.
and where they can, Repug political appointees (rather than apolitical civil servants) at state level steal the election, like in OH 2004 and FL 2000, and most certainly in Repug states 2012.
It's truly amazing for the self-proclaimed champion and beacon of democracy that US state political appointees count votes instead of apolitical civil technocrats. That's just acting for COUNTING fraud.
Study Finds In-Person Voter Fraud Is Rare
An analysis of more than 2,000 alleged voter fraud cases over the last decade shows that the occurrence of such fraud is infinitesimal and that in-person voter impersonation is virtually nonexistent. But 37 state legislatures have enacted or are considering tough voter ID laws in the run-up to the 2012 election. Why?
As has already been reported, Republicans are counting on such measures to help presidential candidate Mitt Romney win the election.
Hear Pennsylvania House Republican leader Mike Turzai say as much in the “Democracy Now!” segment below. Then listen to voter advocate Nicole Austin-Hillery, director of the Washington office of the Brennan Center for Justice, expand on the issue.
http://www.truthdig.com/eartothegrou...=Google+Reader
and rare understates the situation when trying to find modern elections whose outcomes were actually changed by voter fraud. OH 2004 was not not voter fraud, but Repug administrative counting fraud.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 08-18-2012 at 10:01 AM.
The thread le begs the question; are there other species that even think about voter identification?
John Roberts, extreme right-wing Repug political activist JINO, targeting the Voting Rights Act.
What’s Ahead in the 'Voting Wars'? Certainly Not Peace
http://www.thenation.com/blog/169434...nly-not-peace#
I say calf tat every American. God bless
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