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    I'm tired of our "interest". I don't get the hesitation. He can be had for a ridiculous one year minimum deal and is young and talented. And the spurs could always use a big. He's talented but is a head case. What better environment than Sam Antonio where he'd have a bench role behind a role model like Duncan. The fact that he hasn't been signed angers me
    Why the wait?
    Because a contract signed at gunpoint is illegal? They can't ing MAKE him sign. He's off getting his together, so chill, beyotch.

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    Well if the rumored Patterson trade happens, Spurs might have to wait to see how the numbers add up (Spurs want to stay under luxury tax).

    It is up to Blatche where he wants to sign, Spurs can't really do anything about that.
    If it comes down to money and they are under the gun, they could always cut Blair.

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    What is the rumored Patrick Patterson trade? Are there any details? The last tiime I read it was just someone on hoopshypes forum saying the spurs were interested in him but they deal could not go down until later in the month because of some contractual business. Is there any more to that?

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    What is the rumored Patrick Patterson trade? Are there any details? The last tiime I read it was just someone on hoopshypes forum saying the spurs were interested in him but they deal could not go down until later in the month because of some contractual business. Is there any more to that?
    Probably not. I'm sure our rumors wind up on other boards, too.

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    I've seen people mention TD as being a mentor to him. I'm thinking SJax would be more likely, even though it's also sort of unlikely at the same time, so to speak.

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    The only rumor I've seen was something like Blair, Neal, (maybe Byars) plus a 1st, for Patterson. However I'm pretty sure that was from someone on ST, so some may want to consider the source.

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    This is the original source for the trade: http://forums.hoopshype.com/forums/i...?topic=76187.0

    We discussed the trade rumor starting here: http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=202184&page=3

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    Gotcha. I like the idea of going after Patterson but I doubt the Rockets are looking for multiple players back seeing as though they already have somewhere around 20 players on payroll. But Patterson and Blatche sound better than Blair and Bonner. Continuity helps win games early in the season but after 82 games it becomes less of an advantage. Bring on some new guys!

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    Gotcha. I like the idea of going after Patterson but I doubt the Rockets are looking for multiple players back seeing as though they already have somewhere around 20 players on payroll. But Patterson and Blatche sound better than Blair and Bonner. Continuity helps win games early in the season but after 82 games it becomes less of an advantage. Bring on some new guys!
    If they take back Neal and Blair, they can cut them, so it's almost a 1 for 0 trade. Just sayin...if they're trying to dump salary

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    Free agents don't have the luxury to sit around at this point as teams rosters fill up. There has been no report of the Spurs officially offering Blatche a contract. He knows he needs an image repair. He's getting paid via amnesty. If a contender offers him a one year "prove it" deal he'd take it and likely command MLE level money

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    Free agents don't have the luxury to sit around at this point as teams rosters fill up. There has been no report of the Spurs officially offering Blatche a contract. He knows he needs an image repair. He's getting paid via amnesty. If a contender offers him a one year "prove it" deal he'd take it and likely command MLE level money
    No one is paying him MLE money. He wouldn't get to keep most of it anyway. There is a penalty on salary for an amnestied players over the minumum. Anything over minimum is taxed at a high rate to re-pay the team that amnestied him. The NBA isn't going to allow them to double dip.

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    It is up to Blatche where he wants to sign, Spurs can't really do anything about that.
    True. But the Spurs, I would think, would be the best destination for him to wind up to garnish playing time if it were a choice amongst contenders.

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    Well if the rumored Patterson trade happens, Spurs might have to wait to see how the numbers add up (Spurs want to stay under luxury tax).

    It is up to Blatche where he wants to sign, Spurs can't really do anything about that.
    It is his decision, but have you heard of a lot of teams knocking down his door though? Just curious.

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    This is the original source for the trade: http://forums.hoopshype.com/forums/i...?topic=76187.0

    We discussed the trade rumor starting here: http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=202184&page=3
    Thanks Ace, I knew it was around here somewhere but couldn't find it.

    At this point its worth a shot for the Spurs. And I can understand a scenario where Houston would want Neal (he couldn't be much worse on D than Kevin Martin, and he can score) so he wouldn't be a bad replacement.

    Only thing I don't get is what Toronto, Orlando, or Washington would get out of all this. All of those teams are at least 2-3 deep at both C and PF. It wouldn't make any sense for Orlando to give up any draft picks since they are clearly rebuilding and their rookies from this draft are going to be struggling to get time already. And Blair makes less than a million so not exactly a huge salary dump if that is what a team is trading to get him for.

    But if it gets the Spurs a front-court with more potential the Bonner-Blair, then I'm for it.

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    Neal, Blair and Bonner for Patterson and Livingston would pretty much be the best possible thing to happen to the Spurs.

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    Neal, Blair and Bonner for Patterson and Livingston would pretty much be the best possible thing to happen to the Spurs.
    AND a 1st round draft pick. No thanks.

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    Give them the pick. It will be like #28 anyway.

    The Spurs would be getting rid of the 3 weak links on the roster while adding a capable big man who can play next to Duncan, No - brainer.

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    Give them the pick. It will be like #28 anyway.

    The Spurs would be getting rid of the 3 weak links on the roster while adding a capable big man who can play next to Duncan, No - brainer.
    Add in Spurs are in Win-Now mode and the only two 1st round draft picks that weren't stashed overseas and actually contributed in their rookie year during the past decade were George Hill and Beno Udrih. (Kawhi wasn't the Spurs draft pick).

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    If Spurs need to give up a first round pick for a player of Patterson's level, they better keep the pick and sign Blatche who seems motivated to save his career.

    Signing Blatche and then trading away Blair and Neal for second round picks would be a nice end for this offseason.

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    Spurs are very passive when it comes to signing talented free agents;.why else would Blatche consider D League if they weren't?

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    No one is paying him MLE money. He wouldn't get to keep most of it anyway. There is a penalty on salary for an amnestied players over the minumum. Anything over minimum is taxed at a high rate to re-pay the team that amnestied him. The NBA isn't going to allow them to double dip.
    Is that for the duration of his original contract with the wizards? I thought if he signs a 1 year deal this year, he can then sign for whatever he wants next year

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    Is that for the duration of his original contract with the wizards? I thought if he signs a 1 year deal this year, he can then sign for whatever he wants next year
    No. The recoup lasts as long as his amnesty. If he gets enough money, the Wiz get completely paid back.

    No one will want to pay him anyway. They already know that the Wiz are on the hook. Why assume the risk of the salary? If you pay him big, you are taking a risk you don't need to. If he continues to up, you're on the hook for the money instead of the Wiz. Dumb.

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    No. The recoup lasts as long as his amnesty. If he gets enough money, the Wiz get completely paid back.

    No one will want to pay him anyway. They already know that the Wiz are on the hook. Why assume the risk of the salary? If you pay him big, you are taking a risk you don't need to. If he continues to up, you're on the hook for the money instead of the Wiz. Dumb.
    I see. Thnx for the info. I still don't see the risk of a 1 year vet minimum deal. Money that is usually given just to fill empty roster spots can be used on a young, talented player, with size we need. ugh

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    i wonder what the spurs could be waiting on if they are reportedly interested. maybe to trade blair? i'm aware of blatche's past, but i'm surprised no one has snagged him... if he's willing to play for the d league then he's obviously willing to play for not a lot of money.

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    i wonder what the spurs could be waiting on if they are reportedly interested. maybe to trade blair? i'm aware of blatche's past, but i'm surprised no one has snagged him... if he's willing to play for the d league then he's obviously willing to play for not a lot of money.
    I think Andray is the "hold up". He is working with John Lucas, and that tends to be a kind of open ended thing. He'll likely pick a destination when he's done.

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