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We have had to sacrifice something.... our civil liberties.... Ron bless
I will never get over how stupid of decision it was to invade that country.
Ron Paul takes reasonable principles to illogical ends, but here he nailed just about every point. Too bad he ended the statement making reference to a fantasy that the American people would be asked to sacrifice anything (i.e., higher taxes, draft, etc.). Still a great moment though. I'll give him his props for that.
We have had to sacrifice something.... our civil liberties.... Ron bless
I will admit that I am almost always in favor of toppling violent dictators, but the Iraq War has been a complete debacle. The post war period will go down as one of America's all time worst foreign policy disasters. Joe Biden was right, the country should have been split in 3 from the start. Instead we created a Shia dominated country that led to the rise of Iran as a regional power, and a far greater threat than Saddam could have ever hoped to be. Now it seems Iraq is helping Iran skirt the sanctions we have put on them:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/wo...ml?_r=1&emc=na
But when Obama fulfilled dubya's agreement to leave Iraq, the Repugs trashed Obama for "losing Iraq", for "cut and run", etc.
Iraq and Afghanistan will be proven to be lost American causes, always were, always will be. Like VN, a 100% waste of US and invaded coutries' blood and treasury.
Ron paul has always been the only one in politics with any sense. These ers get bought off and serve their corporate masters, outside of the ones who are just out of the loop and don't have much power. What we need is to more closely follow congress and hold them accountable. We need private investigators on every one of their asses, and prison time at the first sign of corruption.
The iraq war and foreign policy has ruined my generation, ruined our future. Destroyed our economy. George Bush should have to answer to milliions of young men and women for his crimes.
the country was doomed to decline with the bull immigrants policy it had, and it was NOT bush or clinton's fault that the borders & airlines were left wide open and millions of s/be@ners allowed to move in tbh
I should spend more time on this forum to realize how dump some posters really are
Your "b" is upside-down dummy.
And yes, Latarian is very dumb. Probably as dumb as the child of his name is. He probably worships that child. I have had him on IGNORE for years now since he never has anything of value to say.
Hindsight is 20/20 tbh.
Not speaking about Ron Paul...just the Ron Paul nuthuggers.
Last edited by AFBlue; 08-19-2012 at 09:46 PM. Reason: Clarification
Hindsight? Really? That war was a bad idea from the start, tbh, beginning from when nobody knew for sure whether there actually were WMD's....
Additionally, hindsight is valid and important if we want to learn from our past mistakes.....
Iraq was an epic fail and a cluster . We were dumb to buy into the propaganda and the lies.
If you say so.
How are the Iraqi people today?
Are they afraid of a benevolent leader like Saddam Hussein today?
lol trillions in debt just to "liberate" some foreign country. i think those trillions would have been better spent on the betterment of america in millions of different ways.
we are NOT the world police.
Except lots of people were saying these exact things before the war... Like Ron Paul. And lots of others. If you supported the war, you don't just get to shrug and spout out cliches.
The intelligence was exaggerated or completely fabricated. There was no post-invasion plan. The plan that was crafted was poorly conceived and poorly executed. There was no firm exit criteria or strategy. We lost thousands of lives and billions of dollars. The region is no more stable than when Saddam was in power. And gas is no cheaper.
I credit Ron Paul for his foresight, but it's easy to look at the litany of failures above and ask "how could we have been so stupid?" I guess that's my point about hindsight. I respect you, but I don't believe "lots of others" saw this coming and voiced their concern while we were rolling through Baghdad as celebrating Iraqis were tearing down the statue of Saddam.
But, I could be wrong.
The actual invasion was pretty ing awesome.
They just screwed the pooch after that.
true, im dumb even by a 4th grader's standard and congrats to u for finally finding someone on this site who has less schooling years than you tbh
yeah, great win the other team's Junior Varsity doesn't even show to play the World Champions.
Just kill yourself Boutox. It's inevitable. Just do it.
talk about ,moving the goal post lol
you are way smarter than WCtrue, im dumb even by a 4th grader's standard and congrats to u for finally finding someone on this site who has less schooling years than you tbh
Considering that their current government is highly unstable and the country is on the verge of civil war, I'd say things are still pretty ty for the Iraqi people nowadays despite the years of undeclared American meddling, tbh..... in fact, our undeclared wars and foreign aid payments are continually proven to hurt countries more than they help, tbh....
The rest of the world pitchs in and we all work together in building a huge wall surrounding the Middle East. Nothing goes in and nothing but oil comes out. If that whole region of the world exploded tomorrrow the world would be a of a lot better off. What do they do besides ...BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They will survive this, unless we help their enemies like we did in Libya.
This cluster pretty much made most Middle Eastern countries hate America even more. You know what that creates? Blowback. I do agree with Ron Paul on this . You have to look at this from the perspective of Iraq and other countries that America has done nation building in. How would we like it if China came over to America and had bases and occupied America to "liberate" us from bad guys? Would you be happy or thrilled about it? And yes, America should apply the Golden Rule when it comes to foreign policy.
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