Did TD EVER have a worst supporting cast than this?

[ambchang]

Then of course, there's odom and Bynum.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

lol ambchang

[DMX7]

The logic of this thread is horrible. Who won the championship in 2007?

[LkrFan]

Of course. Bynum, Odom, Turiaf... that's something to work with. Plus TD was that dominant. Don't forget that season (04-05) the 8th seed in the West was Gasol's Memphis with a 45-37 record... pathetic.

But 06-07 was worse... both Lakers and GSW sneaked in as 7th and 8th seed with a 42-40 record... lol Kome the leader

2nd year Bynum was not very good.
Odom was inconsistent as
Turiaf averages 5,000 fouls/minute

Like Kobe, Duncan would have had to put up monster numbers. Then he would have had to anchor the paint. Tall order IMO.

I highly doubt Duncan would have lead those misfits passed the 1st round where loaded Phoenix would have been waiting for them.

[LkrFan]

I think so. They would be much better defensively and between that and the offense production Duncan would provide that would at least get them better than a 42-40 record, which was the 8 seed that year.

Better defensively, how? Smush still would have been smoked by Nash. Duncan would have been smoked by Amare. Luke Walton v. Mtrix? Kobe averaged 35.4ppg that year and couldn't carry that team.

Phoenix would have waxed a 2006-2007 TD lead team just like he did Kobe.

[LkrFan]

LOL Tim Duncan made the WCF with Terry Porter (Porter >> Smush), Antonio Daniels (better than Sasha V), and Danny Ferry (better than Brian Cook and rivaled inconsistent weedhead LO) as starters and with decrepit Porter the third best player on the team.

FIFY

Do you deny it?

[LkrFan]

"elite player" missing the playoffs in their prime

"GOAT PF" not repeating as Champin

[dunkman]

The 2001 team was horrible. DRob clearly lost a step, DA was playing well it wasn't clear who was the second best Spur, however he got injured just before the Lakers series. Daniels and Rose were serviceable, the rest were just veterans on their last legs.

The next season arrived TP, Bowen and Jack, and the following season Manu, but the 2001 team was horrible.

Still, the Spurs had a 58:24 record and mare it to the WCF.

[ElNono]

2nd year Bynum was not very good.
Odom was inconsistent as
Turiaf averages 5,000 fouls/minute

There's no need to that . Star players need a supporting cast. That's what Duncan has had in his prime and always made the playoffs.

Role players like Kome need somebody to carry them, and unfortunately he didn't during those years.

It's not complicated. Look at Gasol... he's been slipping the last two seasons and voila! back to back 2nd round exits...

[ElNono]

And I'm not even hating... I think it's been pretty well known Kome is a coattailer... there's no new reveal here, tbh...

[dunkman]

There's no need to that . Star players need a supporting cast. That's what Duncan has had in his prime and always made the playoffs.

Role players like Kome need somebody to carry them, and unfortunately he didn't during those years.

It's not complicated. Look at Gasol... he's been slipping the last two seasons and voila! back to back 2nd round exits...

While Kobe is an incredible talent, there is something wrong with his leadership. By now that's quite evident that Shaq and than Gasol/Odom/Bynum/World carried him to his 5 'ships.

[BlackSwordsMan]

No I don't believe he did, Lkrfan. Interesting point.

[DMC]

"GOAT PF" not repeating as Champin

If I shoot you in the leg, and I wait a while and shoot you again, then wait a while and shoot you again, you were shot repeatedly.

[LkrFan]

I would say yes. Kobe, with all his flaws, would undoubtedly be better than any of the other players Duncan ever played with.

If Duncan had those pictured players as supporting cast, he would have had at least a 3 peat, unless Kobe rapes again, and snitch to the police about Duncan paying off women all the time, and then threaten to go to the clippers.

First off, no Kobe in this scenario. They are basically switched. Take Kobe out, subs ute with TD. How would they fare? 1st round casualty.

And at the thought of Kobe being part of TD's supporting cast.

[Trainwreck2100]

2nd year Bynum was not very good.
Odom was inconsistent as
Turiaf averages 5,000 fouls/minute

Like Kobe, Duncan would have had to put up monster numbers. Then he would have had to anchor the paint. Tall order IMO.

I highly doubt Duncan would have lead those misfits passed the 1st round where loaded Phoenix would have been waiting for them.

odom was always better off the bench which is where he'd be if duncan was on that team

[LkrFan]

Then of course, there's odom and Bynum.

LO was inconsistent back then. He sucked as Jermaine. When the Lakers traded for Pau and made him o he did alright.

Bynum was a 2nd year player with no college, AAU, and about 15 high school game under his belt.

[LkrFan]

The logic of this thread is horrible. Who won the championship in 2007?

2007*

*Horry happened if I recall correctly.

[dbreiden83080]

Boy it's going to be funny to see this Laker team fail this year..

Old man Nash and Howard coming off back surgery are going to beat OKC and the Heat huh..

Good luck with that...

[LkrFan]

While Kobe is an incredible talent, there is something wrong with his leadership. By now that's quite evident that Shaq and than Gasol/Odom/Bynum/World carried him to his 5 'ships.

Prime Shaq wouldn't have done anything with that cast either. Remember in 1998, he had a team of Kobe, EJ, Seldom Campbell, Fox, Horry, NVE, etc., and still was swept by Utah? Remmember in 1994 when he also had a team of D Scott, Penny, Nick Anderson, etc., and still got swept by the Dream? Shaq needed help. No Kobe or D-wade (and his pinstriped buddies), no rings for Shaq.

Quit moving the goal posts and stay on topic.

[LkrFan]

Boy it's going to be funny to see this Laker team fail this year..

Old man Nash and Howard coming off back surgery are going to beat OKC and the Heat huh..

Good luck with that...

Quoting this post for future reference.

Let's not act like OKC is the 1996 Bulls. They still haven't won . We were a few bothched possessions away from a 3-1 lead. PG position (biggest hole): upgraded. Center position: upgraded. Worst bench in the league: upgraded. Back up SG position: upgraded.

The Heat will be one and done. They have no one who can guard D-12. Wade can't check Kobe. Nash will on Chalmers. Next to Kobe and anchored by Howard, I expect MWP to make life hard for Bron. The elephant in the room: Shard and Ray Allen won't do much to help them downlow with v. the best frontcourt in the game.

Try again son.

[benefactor]

Better defensively, how? Smush still would have been smoked by Nash. Duncan would have been smoked by Amare. Luke Walton v. Mtrix? Kobe averaged 35.4ppg that year and couldn't carry that team.

Phoenix would have waxed a 2006-2007 TD lead team just like he did Kobe.

Perhaps...but I didn't say they would win in the playoffs, I just said they would make it.

[Clipper Nation]

Let's not act like OKC is the 1996 Bulls.

ChokeKC is a joke tbh, but let's not pretend this Lakers team is the '96 Bulls either....

[baseline bum]

FIFY

Do you deny it?

Porter was horrible. I still remember his ''I've fallen and can't get up'' moment from game 4 of the 02 series with LA. 99-00 he was solid, but he fell off bigtime in 00-01 and was asked to run the team while being completely finished. Daniels was nowhere near as good as Vujacic, since Daniels a spectacularly bad defensive player. Ferry had the lowest release in NBA history on his 3 point shot and was useless if you put a man anywhere near him. Anderson had a grade 3 shoulder sprain that should have kept him out for a couple of months, and he played like it upon return. Rose was still a scrub, shooting 43% from the PF spot. Sean Elliott and Avery Johnson were completely finished; especially Elliott after the kidney transplant. The only teammate Duncan had who was starting quality was Robinson, and he was in pretty serious decline by 2001.

[LkrFan]

There's no need to that . Star players need a supporting cast. That's what Duncan has had in his prime and always made the playoffs.

Role players like Kome need somebody to carry them, and unfortunately he didn't during those years.

It's not complicated. Look at Gasol... he's been slipping the last two seasons and voila! back to back 2nd round exits...

Was TD the clearcut best Spur during the 2007 Finals? Your answer will reveal your true colors tbh. Now that .

[baseline bum]

There's no need to that . Star players need a supporting cast. That's what Duncan has had in his prime and always made the playoffs.

Role players like Kome need somebody to carry them, and unfortunately he didn't during those years.

It's not complicated. Look at Gasol... he's been slipping the last two seasons and voila! back to back 2nd round exits...

Duncan had weak supporting casts in 2000 and especially 2001. Are you forgetting the Chucky Brown era?