Legitimate rape

[clambake]

Fine

Then live your life to those standards.

Don't try to force your standards on us.

this

[leemajors]

Fine

Then live your life to those standards.

Don't try to force your standards on us.

[Wild Cobra]

Fine

Then live your life to those standards.

Don't try to force your standards on us.

Protecting the innocent is force? I'm sorry, but I see it no different than murder.

[CosmicCowboy]

Protecting the innocent is force? I'm sorry, but I see it no different than murder.

Well, I don't think this issue will be solved in here. You certainly aren't going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours.

Thats why the republicans need to shut the up about abortion. They are NEVER going to get a majority to end it so it's just silly season to keep hashing over it.

[Drachen]

Fine

Then live your life to those standards.

Don't try to force your standards on us.

[LnGrrrR]

But at that point somebody other than the mother can provide those needs.

True, which is I think it will be interesting in the future when fetii will be able to live outside the mother at earlier and earlier stages of life.

[coyotes_geek]

Fine

Then live your life to those standards.

Don't try to force your standards on us.

[Wild Cobra]

Well, I don't think this issue will be solved in here. You certainly aren't going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours.

Thats why the republicans need to shut the up about abortion. They are NEVER going to get a majority to end it so it's just silly season to keep hashing over it.

Both sides need to drop it. Besides, it should be a states rights issue.

[ElNono]

True, which is I think it will be interesting in the future when fetii will be able to live outside the mother at earlier and earlier stages of life.

Well, as I said, things like adoption would probably be easier to accommodate at that point. Right now though, forcing somebody to go through a pregnancy against their will is re ed, IMO.

[Wild Cobra]

Well, as I said, things like adoption would probably be easier to accommodate at that point. Right now though, forcing somebody to go through a pregnancy against their will is re ed, IMO.

There is another perspective. If getting pregnant meant carrying to full term, then girls would be more responsible about the issue, and be more proactive at not becoming pregnant.

[Spurminator]

Abortions aren't accidental.

That's completely irrelevant to the comparison.

[ElNono]

Fine

Then live your life to those standards.

Don't try to force your standards on us.

[ElNono]

There is another perspective. If getting pregnant meant carrying to full term, then girls would be more responsible about the issue, and be more proactive at not becoming pregnant.

Responsible about what? Getting raped? You're making zero sense.

[Spurminator]

I'm sorry, but I see it no different than murder.

Well, let me help you see a difference. A murderer is not faced with a decision of whether or not to have his potential victim living in his belly for 40 weeks.

[EVAY]

WC, Yoni and all the other pro-lifers in here...I think I can speak for everyone here and say that were you to accidentally knock a girl up we would certainly respect your conviction to ask the girl to marry you and raise the child together. In the same exact example I would respect her decision to choose not to marry and abort the fetus early term if that were her wishes. I actually think that more RESPONSIBLE people tend to choose abortions because they really did think through the ramifications of their decision instead of just saying "OH! it would be SO much fun to have a little baby that loves me!"

Agreed. Important point is 'early enough'. I just don't see a problem with first trimester. At that point, the decision to abort can be the most responsible decision a woman can make.

Biggest thing though...it is a woman's decision. No one else gets to to make that personal a decision.

[Wild Cobra]

Responsible about what? Getting raped? You're making zero sense.

That's different. I mean getting pregnant in general. Rape is a small percentage of pregnancies, and procedures can be implemented right afterwards that prevent the fetus from starting to develop. We can agree to such exceptions, can't we? This is completely different that aborting weeks or months into a pregnancy.

[Wild Cobra]

Well, let me help you see a difference. A murderer is not faced with a decision of whether or not to have his potential victim living in his belly for 40 weeks.

When it was by their irresponsible actions, I say too ing bad.

Thou shalt not kill.

[Wild Cobra]

Agreed. Important point is 'early enough'. I just don't see a problem with first trimester. At that point, the decision to abort can be the most responsible decision a woman can make.

Biggest thing though...it is a woman's decision. No one else gets to to make that personal a decision.

Shouldn't the father have a say?

[EVAY]

There is another perspective. If getting pregnant meant carrying to full term, then girls would be more responsible about the issue, and be more proactive at not becoming pregnant.

seriously?

Do you realize what you just said?

Do you imagine that people were more responsible about having sex in years past when abortion was illegal?

Seriously?

And it is the girl who has to be 'proactive' about becoming pregnant.

You should not be making that decision for any woman on this planet.

[Wild Cobra]

seriously?

Do you realize what you just said?

Do you imagine that people were more responsible about having sex in years past when abortion was illegal?

Seriously?

And it is the girl who has to be 'proactive' about becoming pregnant.

You should not be making that decision for any woman on this planet.

Yes, I know what I'm saying. I think you will agree there is rarely a perfect solution to anything.

[EVAY]

Shouldn't the father have a say?

Not unless he can figure a way to carry the fetus in his own ballooning belly for nine months and then bring it up on his own completely with no help from the other partner.

[Wild Cobra]

Not unless he can figure a way to carry the fetus in his own ballooning belly for nine months and then bring it up on his own completely with no help from the other partner.

So you are OK with irresponsible sex.

[leemajors]

So you are OK with irresponsible sex.

Broken condoms or the small % of birth control pregnancies are lumped under irresposible?

[EVAY]

Actually I am okay with recreational sex, which is not the same thing as irresponsible sex.

It rarely works to try to put words in my mouth.

I am okay with shared responsibility for sex.

[CosmicCowboy]

You know what? I hate to get started on this . It really pisses me off. Not only do you have no right to force your beliefs on ME you DAMN SURE have no ing right to force your beliefs on MY DAUGHTER.

And if you HONESTLY think Republicans have a snowballs chance of abolishing abortion you are delusional.

Abortion is a personal decision that everyone has to make on a personal case by case basis.

So don't TELL me that the "polls are swinging your way" and that now "50% of the people are pro-life"

The Pro Choice decision is black and white, but the pro life choice in practice has a million shades of gray. It's one thing to say "this is what I believe is right for me" but an entirely different animal to say "this is what I think is right for YOU." Fortunately the extreme pro lifers are still a fringe element and there are a lot more "pro-life" folks out there that are willing to let others make their own moral decisions.