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    Broken condoms or the small % of birth control pregnancies are lumped under irresposible?
    Yes.

    There is no garentee associated with them. Responsibility includes being ready to take care of a child if you accidentally have one. Abortions should not be used as birth control.

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    So you are OK with irresponsible sex.
    I don't think it should be penalized by law for 40 weeks.

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    And the fact that the Republican party panders to these ing extremists disgusts me...just not enough to vote for Obama.

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    I don't think it should be penalized by law for 40 weeks.
    Why not?

    If you drink and drive and get caught, are you not penalized by law?

    Always accept the results of your actions.

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    bottomfeeder

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    Why not?

    If you drink and drive and get caught, are you not penalized by law?

    Always accept the results of your actions.
    Well, if your actions make abortion illegal are you going to take the responsibility for raising all those babies to competent adulthood?

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    You know what? I hate to get started on this . It really pisses me off. Not only do you have no right to force your beliefs on ME you DAMN SURE have no ing right to force your beliefs on MY DAUGHTER.

    And if you HONESTLY think Republicans have a snowballs chance of abolishing abortion you are delusional.

    Abortion is a personal decision that everyone has to make on a personal case by case basis.

    So don't TELL me that the "polls are swinging your way" and that now "50% of the people are pro-life"

    The Pro Choice decision is black and white, but the pro life choice in practice has a million shades of gray. It's one thing to say "this is what I believe is right for me" but an entirely different animal to say "this is what I think is right for YOU." Fortunately the extreme pro lifers are still a fringe element and there are a lot more "pro-life" folks out there that are willing to let others make their own moral decisions.
    Bingo. My daughter was a part of that very small percentage of birth control babies so my then girlfriend (now wife) and I both looked at each other took a deep breath and started talking. One of the first things that we got out of the way was that she wasn't being aborted (we had known each other off and on for a about 12 years but had only started dating 3 months prior). Both of us are vehemently pro-choice, OUR choice is no abortions. You can choose whatever you want, but it's your CHOICE! GTF outta here with trying to dictate someone elses choice.

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    then girls would be more responsible about the issue, and be more proactive at not becoming pregnant.

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    I take it nothing's been said in here that hasn't already been said in the previous ST Political Forum abortion debates?

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    That's different. I mean getting pregnant in general. Rape is a small percentage of pregnancies, and procedures can be implemented right afterwards that prevent the fetus from starting to develop. We can agree to such exceptions, can't we?
    Those are the exceptions we were actually discussing, unless this got derailed at some point. Apparently there's some people that doesn't agree with such exceptions.

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    I take it nothing's been said in here that hasn't already been said in the previous ST Political Forum abortion debates?
    Looks like nothing new yet.

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    Why not?

    If you drink and drive and get caught, are you not penalized by law?

    Always accept the results of your actions.
    Drinking and driving is illegal. Unprotected sex is not.

    Do you think it should be, libertarian?

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    You know what? I hate to get started on this . It really pisses me off. Not only do you have no right to force your beliefs on ME you DAMN SURE have no ing right to force your beliefs on MY DAUGHTER.

    And if you HONESTLY think Republicans have a snowballs chance of abolishing abortion you are delusional.

    Abortion is a personal decision that everyone has to make on a personal case by case basis.

    So don't TELL me that the "polls are swinging your way" and that now "50% of the people are pro-life"

    The Pro Choice decision is black and white, but the pro life choice in practice has a million shades of gray. It's one thing to say "this is what I believe is right for me" but an entirely different animal to say "this is what I think is right for YOU." Fortunately the extreme pro lifers are still a fringe element and there are a lot more "pro-life" folks out there that are willing to let others make their own moral decisions.
    yet again. you work damn hard to ensure your daughter can think for herself and make her own decisions. no one should be able to take that away.

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    Drinking and driving is illegal. Unprotected sex is not.

    Do you think it should be, libertarian?
    The difference between libertarians and anarchists is that the libertarian takes responsibility for they actions. Abortion beyond something like the morning after pill should be illegal.
    Last edited by Wild Cobra; 08-23-2012 at 08:50 PM.

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    Why is a middle aged single man with no children so determined to lay claim to women's right to choose?

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    Abortion beyond something the the morning after pill should be illegal.
    Because that will totally stop women from having them.

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    Why is a middle aged single man with no children so determined to lay claim to women's right to choose?
    Who has no children?

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    Who has no children?
    my mistake.

    Any daughters?

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    my mistake.

    Any daughters?
    Two. Both in their 20's now.

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    The difference between libertarians and anarchists is that the libertarian takes responsibility for they actions.
    "Taking responsibility" in this case is subjective.

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    Two. Both in their 20's now.
    What would you do if one chose to get a legal abortion because she felt that was the right thing for her in her situation?

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    "Taking responsibility" in this case is subjective.
    I will agree to that, but I disagree that abortion is the responsible way to followup the irresponsibility of creating life when you aren't ready for such a burden.

    These people who have protected sex, and aren't ready to take care of a child should the protection not work, may as well play Russian Roulette. At least they would be accidentally killing themselves instead of the innocent.

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    What would you do if one chose to get a legal abortion because she felt that was the right thing for her in her situation?
    I would be very surprised. Surprised to the point I think it's a laughable possibility. Not only were they raised better than that, but they have full family support if needed, and have better moral values than someone who would abort.

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    I would be very surprised. Surprised to the point I think it's a laughable possibility. Not only were they raised better than that, but they have full family support if needed, and have better moral values than someone who would abort.
    Kids can always surprise you. They aren't clones of you and at some point you lose the right to push your values on them.

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    It's a hypothetical. What if it was YOUR daughter?

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