USADA says it will strip Armstrong of 7 Tour de France les

[Reck]

absolutely because we know MLB, NFL, football... are clean and nobody is on doping

This is the same thought process all the idiots have on the subject.

They think only the sports they are into are the ones that matter.

Ignorance is bliss.

[Brazil]

There are several points in this thread:

- The French investigated the out of Lance and if they could have they would have stripped him of the les long ago. They even prosecuted some of the other big names in the process (they were convinced they would get Lance eventually).

- It doesn't change the fact that the sport as a whole was dirty and that it has been changing. Lance was a catalyst for these changes (an inadvertent one).

- Nobody is defending him - just pointing out the hypocrisy of singling him out for something that was common practice at the time.

- And personally I love the irony how Europeans were called nationalist and even racist for going after Lance. Now he is getting screwed by his own and on shaky evidence none the less (testimony of people who have a stake in the outcome).

And anybody who thinks cycling is not a difficult sport, should try it. I personally suggest to start with something easy: a downhill track in a MTB Park - I mean it's downhill all the way, how difficult can it be?

And finally I still don't like Armstrong (never have).

I practiced a bit not at a very high level but still I can tell Cyclism is one of the toughest sport that exists and the TDF is probably the most difficult popular event in the world and by far.

and I still dislike Armstrong

[MaNuMaNiAc]

- The French investigated the out of Lance and if they could have they would have stripped him of the les long ago. They even prosecuted some of the other big names in the process (they were convinced they would get Lance eventually).

Hence why my whole point is based on the premise that the USADA isn't on some bull stunt to convince everyone its not completely useless.

- It doesn't change the fact that the sport as a whole was dirty and that it has been changing. Lance was a catalyst for these changes (an inadvertent one).

That might or might not be true I don't know tbh. Still think this is a case by case judgment and not something to be considered in context. There is no context which would validate him cheating. Not even if every single cyclist was doing it. In which case there would be grounds for considering scrapping the whole governing committees for gross incompetence AND still strip Lance of all his les.

- Nobody is defending him - just pointing out the hypocrisy of singling him out for something that was common practice at the time.

I disagree, Shadow over there can't seem to stop himself trying to argue that Lance should keep his les one way or the other. I think his take borders on "just because"...

Hypocrisy or not, they have to start somewhere and Lance should do just fine. (If he actually cheated that is)

- And personally I love the irony how Europeans were called nationalist and even racist for going after Lance. Now he is getting screwed by his own and on shaky evidence none the less (testimony of people who have a stake in the outcome).

Its nothing new really. People tend to protect their idols.

And finally I still don't like Armstrong (never have).

I don't much care one way or the other about Armstrong tbh, I just thoroughly dislike dishonest pieces of . I think that's something we can all get behind really

[JoeChalupa]

Meh, he has been tested many, many times and as far as I know he has not failed a test.

[Reck]

Reading comprehension befalls Manumaniac it appears.

I'm not defending him at all.

I'm just stating the obvious.

Whether he loses his les or not I do not give a .

But if you're going to do so, you better do it to everyone else that was caught cheating.

Like I said, they would have to strip the majority of the riders of their prize.

They cant start with Armstrong and end with him.

Simply put, athletes have been doping long before Armstrong was even in the sport.

Your logic simply does not compute.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I'm not defending him at all.

I'm just stating the obvious.

Whether he loses his les or not I do not give a .

But if you're going to do so, you better do it to everyone else that was caught cheating.



Like I said, they would have to strip the majority of the riders of their prize.

They cant start with Armstrong and end with him.

Simply put, athletes have been doping long before Armstrong was even in the sport.

My bad, I must have been confused by your incredibly vague posts whining about the USADA going after an icon and how that would destroy the sport and be "like and punch in the guts to people who are really into it"...

Why are they doing this?

This will destroy the sport.

Dude, I dont give a about Cycling or Armstrong for that matter.



Exactly my point.

This sport is like the depository for doping, why taint it more than it already is.

Cycling may not be big here in the US but it is internationally. I'm sure this is like a punch in the guts to people that really are into it.

Whether you give a about Armstrong or not is irrelevant. The notion that USADA should do nothing because it could further taint the sport and disappoint the audiences is ridiculous.

Now you have since backpedaled a bit and have landed on a point we can all agree on. If the go after Armstrong, they should go after everyone else. In the meantime GO AFTER ARMSTRONG!

[Reck]

I dont think I'm back pedalling at all.

I stand by what I had said here.

Stripping anyone of more than one le based on a hunch is pretty much inconceivable. Again, I have a problem with USADA trying step in and act all rightous. Specially at this point.

If this was conducted by someone of authority and they had concrete proof then I would have no problem with the fact said guy would lose his les but since its not therein lies the issue.

And I would suspect this would hurt the Sport and how its fans look upon it.

Doping aside, taking away big accomplishments never goes down easy regardless of why.

[Koolaid_Man]

There are several points in this thread:

- The French investigated the out of Lance and if they could have they would have stripped him of the les long ago. They even prosecuted some of the other big names in the process (they were convinced they would get Lance eventually).

- It doesn't change the fact that the sport as a whole was dirty and that it has been changing. Lance was a catalyst for these changes (an inadvertent one).

- Nobody is defending him - just pointing out the hypocrisy of singling him out for something that was common practice at the time.

- And personally I love the irony how Europeans were called nationalist and even racist for going after Lance. Now he is getting screwed by his own and on shaky evidence none the less (testimony of people who have a stake in the outcome).

And anybody who thinks cycling is not a difficult sport, should try it. I personally suggest to start with something easy: a downhill track in a MTB Park - I mean it's downhill all the way, how difficult can it be?

And finally I still don't like Armstrong (never have).

I'm a simple man...its not very complicated...well over 500 tests..random too..at any time of the day or night...and yet no positve drug test...they still have his blood and testing it as we speak and yet no positve results not even using 2012 Science...all they have is the word disgruntled ex teammates who didn't get the Nike sponsership.

I don't think he can cheat that well...give it up he's innocent is my call...if anyone believes otherwise they're morons...

[ploto]

The US anti-doping agency has outlined its reasons for handing Lance Armstrong a life ban, saying the American used and administered to team-mates EPO, blood transfusions, testosterone and cortisone during his seven Tour de France wins...

USADA said it also had blood tests taken from 2009-2010, when Armstrong briefly came out of retirement to compete internationally again, that were "fully consistent" with blood doping.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-2...fe-ban/4222288

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I'm a simple man...its not very complicated...well over 500 tests..random too..at any time of the day or night...and yet no positve drug test...they still have his blood and testing it as we speak and yet no positve results not even using 2012 Science...all they have is the word disgruntled ex teammates who didn't get the Nike sponsership.

I don't think he can cheat that well...give it up he's innocent is my call...if anyone believes otherwise they're morons...

Kool, you accusing anyone of being a moron is truly, truly hilarious

[Sportcamper]

Over 140 tests & passed everyone...France & their whine...

[Proxy]

Whether you give a about Armstrong or not is irrelevant. The notion that USADA should do nothing because it could further taint the sport and disappoint the audiences is ridiculous.

It isn't ridiculous at all from a business standpoint.

Armstrong made the sport relevant, but more importantly provided a great cancer story. The fact that tons of cancer patients all over the world see this as a possible loss of hope is the saddest thing.

Should they be allowed to remove his les without evidence of a positive test? That wouldn't make sense. USADA needs to produce a positive test, or they need to shut the up.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You guys are just seething with ignorance and extremely immature...Armstrong won those les fair and outright...the witch hunt being carried out is the shameful act. If you beleive Lance cheated then you should really beleive that Manny Paquito is cheating in boxing...I highly doubt the IOC will agree with the USADA it's nothing but an exercise in frivolity..

I beleive this is not a typo.

[DMC]

I beleive this is not a typo.

It's not. It's intentionally being done to disguise the genius known as Koolaid_Man. Ain't that right Extra Stout?

[DMC]

So they want to take all 7? How about someone strip them of their authority since they have pretty much nullified the entire TDF since LeMonde (the got who started all this actually)?

If they passed the doping tests, that's that. I don't know of any other sport where people come back 5 years later to say you failed a test. It really means the winner of the TDF is TBD in about 10 years or so, depending on the politics and which country he's from.

We all knew Floyd Landis was doping after he hit a wall and fell way back then the following day smoked everyone.

Interesting, lol the whole thing is a doping fest top to bottom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_...Tour_de_France

[jag]

I agree with Manumaniac, in theory. But this isn't politics or some wall street business scandal; it's cycling. It's grown men riding bicycles around in France. They can all shoot heroine before they race for all I care. All I know is the entire sport was dirty. So to go after Armstrong and call his les illegitimate, while continuing to recognize the rest of the les these past two decades, is nothing but hypocrisy.

They don't care about going after the other names because the other names aren't as big as Lance. Those other names won't make the irrelevant USADA seem like a legitimate governing body.

[DMC]

The other countries who try these "accusations" invariably find their own countrymen innocent over and over. The US eats it's own. Bunch of gots trying to make a name.

It's never going to stop. If your choice is play straight and never see the podium because other countries are cheating, or cheat and hope you don't get caught at a legit shot at the podium, most are going to choose the latter since not making the podium, ever, on any leg of the race = not racing for long anyhow due to sponsorship. Landis got his moment and he knew it was going to happen. That was the price he paid for that moment that most cyclists only dream of and many would willfully retire if that was the price for winning one TDF.

[Koolaid_Man]

I beleive this is not a typo.

I'm like O' Dawg from Menace 2 Society - I just don't give a

beleave dat

[Koolaid_Man]

Kool, you accusing anyone of being a moron is truly, truly hilarious

stop emo'ing if the shoe fits wear it!!!

Over 500 tests not 1 positive all they have is accusations...what's funny is I bet you're a Pacquio fan advocating that he not take the test...all you cucks are a bunch of phony hyprocrites ..talk about hilarious

So you would have us beleive that Lance was taking the same as some of his teammates..their blood came back positive but his didn't...he was using some out there on the Market that only he knew about...whereas everyone else was getting busted but his is supposed to be so strong to help him win 7 straight yet they couldn't find not even a trace element...a former cancer patient who's blood has been through the ringer and yet he's able to use a drug that's virtually undetected - only in his veins but not that of his teammates...

you want me to actually beleive all of this and that he's guilty because a few former friends say so...News flash sucker...if Lance was part of A collective team effort to dope and conceal his blood would have been tainted along with the rest...too bad you have scrambled eggs between your ears instead of a ing brain... you're such a loser